Interventional/Surgery
Further evidence for primary PCI over facilitated angioplasty, but pretreatment hypothesis not yet dead
February 14, 2006 | Shelley Wood

London, UK - Two new studies released online in the Lancet February 14, 2006 constitute a one-two punch against the strategy of facilitated angioplasty, although experts refuse to call it a knockout [1,2]. It is still too soon to say that pharmacological pretreatment in some form will never have a role in ST-segment-elevation AMI patients, investigators for both studies say.

One of the two papers details the full ASSENT-4 PCI results, previously reported by heartwire at the American Heart Association 2005 meeting. In the trial, Dr Frans Van de Werf (Gasthuisberg University Hospital, Leuven, Belgium) and colleagues randomized 1667 patients—less than half of the number intended in the original trial design—to full-dose tenecteplase (TNK)-facilitated PCI or primary PCI alone. At 90 days, the primary end point of death, congestive heart failure (CHF), or shock had occurred more frequently in the facilitated-PCI arm than in the primary-PCI patients. More strokes, reinfarction, and repeat target vessel revascularization (TVR) occurred in the facilitated group, while major noncerebral bleeding was no different between the two groups. Mortality, which had early on appeared higher in the facilitated-PCI group—and was the reason the trial was halted before full enrollment—was no longer significantly different at 90 days.

ASSENT-4 PCI outcomes

End point
TNK+PCI (%)
PCI alone (%)
p
Primary end point*
18.6
13.4
0.0045
Death
7
5
0.1412
CHF
12
9
0.0640
Shock
6
5
0.1933
Stroke
1.8
0
<0.0001
Reinfarction
6
4
0.0279
Repeat TVR
7
3
0.0041
Major bleeding
5.6
4.4
0.3118
Minor bleeding
25.3
19
0.0021

*Death, CHF, or shock

In an interview with heartwire, Van de Werf emphasized that despite the clear failure of added full-dose TNK to improve on primary angioplasty, it is impossible to call this the final nail in the coffin for facilitated angioplasty, particularly since specific groups may still benefit from some form of pretreatment. Of note, mortality rates for the whole trial were lowest in patients in the facilitated-PCI group who received TNK in the ambulance but highest in those who received pretreatment at the hospital where they underwent PCI, underscoring the potential benefit of a facilitated strategy in the setting of delayed PCI. The CAPTIM trial, conducted in France, showed similar benefits in ambulance-treated patients, Van de Werf noted.

"If we had been able to randomize more people in the ambulance, at an earlier time after the onset of symptoms, the results [for the facilitated-PCI group] would probably have been much better," he told heartwire.

In fact, the original intention of ASSENT-4 PCI, Van de Werf said, was to include patients with TNK-to-PCI delay times of more than three hours, but the FDA requested that the trial design include only patients who could be treated within three hours—in keeping with current guidelines.

"If PCI follows the thrombolysis after a short period, then there is not so much time for the lytic to have a benefit," Van de Werf explained. "If the delays had been much longer with PCI, of course there is a higher chance that the group randomized to lytic therapy would have benefited from the lytic."

As well, ASSENT-4 PCI permitted neither up-front clopidogrel or heparin infusion following initial bolus dose nor GP IIb/IIIa inhibitors in the facilitated-PCI group, raising the possibility that suboptimal antithrombotic cotherapy may have contributed to the increased early thrombotic complications in the TNK-pretreatment group, he said.

The key point from ASSENT-4 PCI, Van de Werf told heartwire, is that "you should not give the therapy as it was given in this trial. With this cotherapy and with a full dose of TNK, it's not a good treatment."

In patients with longer delays to PCI or with a different pre-PCI strategy, the results might be different. "As such, we eagerly await the results of the Facilitated Intervention with Enhanced Reperfusion to Stop Events (FINESSE) trial, in which up-front abciximab alone or in combination with half-dose reteplase are compared with standard PCI," the ASSSENT-4 PCI investigators conclude.

"With a combination of GP IIb/IIIa inhibitor and half-dose lytic, it's possible they won't see the problems we saw in our trial—namely, early thrombotic complications," Van de Werf told heartwire. "On the other hand, this combination, especially in the elderly, is associated with a higher risk of bleeding complications, so I don't know what it's going to show. Certainly it will be a balance of having the benefit of abciximab on board and the higher risk of bleeding complications."


New meta-analysis shows no benefit, more risk with facilitated PCI

In the meantime, the second paper includes some insights into the hypothetical role of a GP IIb/IIIa-inhibitor-based strategy. In a meta-analysis of 17 trials comparing facilitated and primary PCI, Dr Ellen C Keeley (UT Southwestern, Dallas) and colleagues included trials testing GP IIb/IIIa antagonists alone or in combination with reduced-dose thrombolysis, as well as studies examining thrombolysis alone, including ASSENT-4 PCI.

As Keeley et al report, their analysis showed facilitated PCI to be associated with higher rates of death, reinfarction, urgent TVR, major bleeding, and stroke at up to 42 days. The same findings were seen when all thrombolytic-based strategies, with or without GP IIb/IIIa inhibition, were analyzed together. By contrast, the GP IIb/IIIa-inhibitor-alone strategies neither increased nor decreased rates of adverse outcomes, they note.

Outcomes for all facilitated-PCI strategies vs PCI alone

End point
TNK+PCI (%)
PCI alone (%)
p
Death
5
3
0.04
Reinfarction
3
2
0.006
Urgent TVR
4
1
0.010
Major bleeding
7
5
0.010
Stroke
1.1
0.3
0.0008

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Importantly, Keeley et al could not assess whether patients with delays to PCI fared better with pretreatment, because 13 different "treatment delays" were measured in the 17 studies, Keeley told heartwire. However, from the available data, no one patient group had a suggestion of benefit from a facilitated approach. "From the available data, the facilitated-PCI approach is no better than primary PCI, period."

She continued, "In light of our results, the facilitated-PCI approach does not result in better clinical outcomes and in fact appears to be harmful in regimens incorporating thrombolytic therapy. This approach should not be used unless it is being studied in a randomized, controlled trial setting. Furthermore, with the data we have thus far and the data from the ASSENT-4 PCI trial, randomized trials that have treatment arms using thrombolytic therapy should consider stopping enrollment into the thrombolytic-therapy arm."

Keeley believes the findings should have an impact on clinical practice: "Many physicians have adopted the facilitated-PCI approach in the community," she told heartwire. "We can now say that this approach is not beneficial and is harmful in those regimens using thrombolytic therapy and should not be used."


Door remains open

Drs Gregg W Stone (Columbia University, New York, NY) and Bernard Gersh (Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN) echo Keeley et al's conclusions in an accompanying Commentbut, like the ASSENT-4 PCI investigators, also underscore the need for a trial examining a facilitated strategy in patients facing significant PCI-transfer delays [3]. Whether any patients would benefit from a different type of pharmacological pretreatment is still unknown, they emphasize.

"Although the door cannot be completely closed on facilitated angioplasty (pending the completion of the ongoing FINESSE trial), there is currently no justification to pretreat any patient in whom primary angioplasty is intended with thrombolytic therapy or GP IIb/IIIa inhibitors or both, irrespective of the time since onset of symptoms or delays expected to catheterization," Stone and Gersh write.

To heartwire, Van de Werf predicted that FINESSE might still have something to add to the debate.

"The fact that the ethics committee for FINESSE has allowed the trial to continue suggests to me that there must be a benefit, or certainly no clear evidence of a major harm; otherwise, the trial would have been stopped."

Sources
  1. Assessment of the Safety and Efficacy of a New Treatment Strategy with Percutaneous Coronary Intervention (ASSENT-4 PCI) investigators. Primary versus tenecteplase-facilitated percutaneous coronary intervention in patients with ST-segment elevation acute myocardial infarction (ASSENT-4 PCI): Randomised trial. Lancet 2006; DOI:10.1016/S0140-6736(06)68147-6. Available at: http://www.thelancet.com.
  2. Keeley EC, Boura JA, Grines CL. Comparison of primary and facilitated percutaneous coronary interventions for ST-elevation myocardial infarction: Quantitative review of randomised trials. Lancet 2006; DOI:10.1016/S0140-6736(06)68148-8. Available at: http://www.thelancet.com.
  3. Stone GW, Gersh BJ. Facilitated angioplasty: Paradise Lost. Lancet 2006; DOI:10.1016/S0140-6736(06) 68149-X. Available at: http://www.thelancet.com.



Your comments
Further evidence for primary PCI over facilitated angioplasty, but pretreatment hypothesis not yet
# 1 of 14
February 13, 2006 08:29 (EST)
Larry Husten
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# 2 of 14
February 17, 2006 02:40 (EST)
Jeffrey Mann
Sample size too small
Although I no longer practice medicine, and therefore I am not really interested in whether facilitated PCI is better than primary PCI, I am still very interested in how best to accurately interpret RCT evidence. I think that many physicians don't understand how to accurately interpret RCT evidence because they do not adequately consider the role of chance in RCTs, which are usually too underpowered in "real life" clinical practice. In this communication, I will attempt to demonstrate how chance can potentially affect a RCT's results - if the control event rate (CER) is too low. The mortality-CER in the reported facilitated PCI trials is usually low (~4%) and I will use the mortality results to make my point about low CER trials. First of all, there were two papers in the Lancet. The first paper was the ASSENT-4 RCT. The other paper was a meta-analysis of facilitated PCI versus primary PCI RCTs (including the results of the ASSENT-4 RCT). The meta-analysis theoretically has the advantage because the sample size is larger (4500 patients) while the ASSENT-4 trial only consisted of ~1700 patients. However, the meta-analysis suffers from a heterogeneity problem because there was a large variation in types of studies (eg. thrombolytic versus PG2a3b inhibitor therapy). However, the biggest problem is that both the ASSENT-4 trial and the meta-analysis combined results are too underpowered from a sample size perspective (sample size too small for a low CER of 4%). To understand my argument, consider the following presentation. Look at the graph of short term mortality for all the RCTs incorporated in the meta-analysis. See -- http://jeffmann.net/soapbox/Mortality-MT.jpg Note the large variation in mortality-OR for the different RCTs. They vary considerably in both direction (some are OR+ and others OR-) and magnitude. Why is there such a large variation? The most logical explanation is the effect of chance events in low CERs. Consider the following hypothetical simulation of 1,000 trials where the mortality CER is 4%, and where the mortality difference between facilitated and primary PCI is actually zero (the pre-defined "no bias" mortality RR is arbitrarily set at 1.0), and where the sample size is 110 patients (same size as the Zoman trial). See -- http://jeffmann.net/soapbox/Mortality-110patients.jpg Note the wide 95%CI of the 1,000 simulated trials which all have a "true" zero mortality difference (no "real" difference between facilitated versus primary PCI). The large variation in point estimate values (from a RR of <0.1 to a OR >3.0) is due to the fact that chance events cause the treated and control patients to have a different likelihood of a mortality event during the time duration of the RCT. I have marked a point estimate RR that roughly reflects the Zoman trial's actual results. One can reasonably infer that the Zoman trial's "real life" RR results could easily be due to chance, and not necessarily due to a "true" difference between the different therapeutic approaches. In other words, with such an underpowered trial, one can never exclude chance effects as being responsible for the trial's measured results (which is inferred by the very, very wide 95% CIs). -- continued in part 2.
# 3 of 14
February 17, 2006 02:42 (EST)
Jeffrey Mann
-- part 2
Note that most of the RCTs in the meta-analysis are similarly underpowered (sample size varies from 50-600 patients, excluding the ASSENT-4 trial). Therefore, it is not surprising when one only considers the results of only 20 trials, that there could be a wide variation in mortality-OR results. Each of those trials (even the one having 600 patients) produces mortality-OR results that have 95%CIs that are too wide (reflecting the degree of scientific inconclusiveness of each trial's results). Note that the ASSENT-4 trial consisted of 1700 patients and it therefore has narrower 95%CI OR values. In fact there is very little difference in the width of the 95%CI of the ASSENT-4 trial compared to the entire meta-analysis' combined results -- because there is no significant difference between a sample size of 1700 versus 4400 in terms of producing point estimate OR values with narrow 95%CIs. See -- http://jeffmann.net/soapbox/Mortality-10000patients.jpg In this instance, I have prespecified that the "no-bias" mortality RR is 1.25 (facilitated PCI has a mortality rate of 5% versus 4% for the primary PCI group) for both hypothetical trials -- subgroup 1 trial and subgroup 2 trial. Note that the 1,000 trial simualtion study of subgroup 2 trials only differs from the subgroup 1 trials in terms of sample size (10,000 versus 1,000 patients). Note that a 1,000 sample size produces 95%CI range that is too wide to produce a scientifically conclusive result, while a 10,000 sample size produces a narrower 95%CI range, which is narrow enough to be certain that there is a statisitical difference between the two therapeutic strategies (lowest tail of the 95%CI doesn't cross a RR value of 1.0). However, even with a sample size of 10,000 patients, one cannot be certain that the measured difference is clinically significant (if the definition of clinical significance is arbitrarily set at a RR of 1.15) because absolute certainty of clinical significance will only be obtained if the lowest tail end of the 95%CI is >=1.15. In other words, even a 10,000 sample size RCT could be perceived to be too underpowered to produce scientifically conclusive results (results where both tail ends of the 95%CI exceed a minimally important difference of RR of 1.15). Considering the ASSENT-4 trial alone, one can only conclude that it was underpowered for a mortality-CER of ~4%. It was designed to be a 4,000 patient study, but it was prematurely halted after only 1,700 patients were enrolled. Although it was underpowered, I am not surprised (from a pathophysiological perspective) to discover that facilitated PCI engenders a slightly higher mortality rate than primary PCI. Note that the thrombolytic group (facilitated PCI) had a 1% hemorrhagic stroke rate (which is within the range of plausible expectancy of 0.5-1.5%) compared to 0% for the primary PCI group. Unfortunately, all those 8 hemorrhagic stroke patients died, which accounts for a significant part of the mortality difference. Note that there was little difference in the mortality rate due to cardiac events between the two groups, and one cannot exclude chance event effects as being accountable for that small difference. Jeff.
# 4 of 14
February 17, 2006 02:46 (EST)
Jeffrey Mann
Sample size too small
Although I no longer practice medicine, and therefore I am not really interested in whether facilitated PCI is better than primary PCI, I am still very interested in how best to accurately interpret RCT evidence. I think that many physicians don't understand how to accurately interpret RCT evidence because they do not adequately consider the role of chance in RCTs, which are usually too underpowered in "real life" clinical practice. In this communication, I will attempt to demonstrate how chance can potentially affect a RCT's results - if the control event rate (CER) is too low. The mortality-CER in the reported facilitated PCI trials is usually low (~4%) and I will use the mortality results to make my point about low CER trials. First of all, there were two papers in the Lancet. The first paper was the ASSENT-4 RCT. The other paper was a meta-analysis of facilitated PCI versus primary PCI RCTs (including the results of the ASSENT-4 RCT). The meta-analysis theoretically has the advantage because the sample size is larger (4500 patients) while the ASSENT-4 trial only consisted of ~1700 patients. However, the meta-analysis suffers from a heterogeneity problem because there was a large variation in types of studies (eg. thrombolytic versus PG2a3b inhibitor therapy). However, the biggest problem is that both the ASSENT-4 trial and the meta-analysis combined results are too underpowered from a sample size perspective (sample size too small for a low CER of 4%). To understand my argument, consider the following presentation. Look at the graph of short term mortality for all the RCTs incorporated in the meta-analysis. See -- http://jeffmann.net/soapbox/Mortality-MT.jpg Note the large variation in mortality-OR for the different RCTs. They vary considerably in both direction (some are OR+ and others OR-) and magnitude. Why is there such a large variation? The most logical explanation is the effect of chance events in low CERs. Consider the following hypothetical simulation of 1,000 trials where the mortality CER is 4%, and where the mortality difference between facilitated and primary PCI is actually zero (the pre-defined "no bias" mortality RR is arbitrarily set at 1.0), and where the sample size is 110 patients (same size as the Zoman trial). See -- http://jeffmann.net/soapbox/Mortality-110patients.jpg Note the wide 95%CI of the 1,000 simulated trials which all have a "true" zero mortality difference (no "real" difference between facilitated versus primary PCI). The large variation in point estimate values (from a RR of <0.1 to a OR >3.0) is due to the fact that chance events cause the treated and control patients to have a different likelihood of a mortality event during the time duration of the RCT. I have marked a point estimate RR that roughly reflects the Zoman trial's actual results. One can reasonably infer that the Zoman trial's "real life" RR results could easily be due to chance, and not necessarily due to a "true" difference between the different therapeutic approaches. In other words, with such an underpowered trial, one can never exclude chance effects as being responsible for the trial's measured results (which is inferred by the very, very wide 95% CIs). -- continued in part 2.
# 5 of 14
February 17, 2006 02:46 (EST)
Jeffrey Mann
Sample size too small
Although I no longer practice medicine, and therefore I am not really interested in whether facilitated PCI is better than primary PCI, I am still very interested in how best to accurately interpret RCT evidence. I think that many physicians don't understand how to accurately interpret RCT evidence because they do not adequately consider the role of chance in RCTs, which are usually too underpowered in "real life" clinical practice. In this communication, I will attempt to demonstrate how chance can potentially affect a RCT's results - if the control event rate (CER) is too low. The mortality-CER in the reported facilitated PCI trials is usually low (~4%) and I will use the mortality results to make my point about low CER trials. First of all, there were two papers in the Lancet. The first paper was the ASSENT-4 RCT. The other paper was a meta-analysis of facilitated PCI versus primary PCI RCTs (including the results of the ASSENT-4 RCT). The meta-analysis theoretically has the advantage because the sample size is larger (4500 patients) while the ASSENT-4 trial only consisted of ~1700 patients. However, the meta-analysis suffers from a heterogeneity problem because there was a large variation in types of studies (eg. thrombolytic versus PG2a3b inhibitor therapy). However, the biggest problem is that both the ASSENT-4 trial and the meta-analysis combined results are too underpowered from a sample size perspective (sample size too small for a low CER of 4%). To understand my argument, consider the following presentation. Look at the graph of short term mortality for all the RCTs incorporated in the meta-analysis. See -- http://jeffmann.net/soapbox/Mortality-MT.jpg Note the large variation in mortality-OR for the different RCTs. They vary considerably in both direction (some are OR+ and others OR-) and magnitude. Why is there such a large variation? The most logical explanation is the effect of chance events in low CERs. Consider the following hypothetical simulation of 1,000 trials where the mortality CER is 4%, and where the mortality difference between facilitated and primary PCI is actually zero (the pre-defined "no bias" mortality RR is arbitrarily set at 1.0), and where the sample size is 110 patients (same size as the Zoman trial). See -- http://jeffmann.net/soapbox/Mortality-110patients.jpg Note the wide 95%CI of the 1,000 simulated trials which all have a "true" zero mortality difference (no "real" difference between facilitated versus primary PCI). The large variation in point estimate values (from a RR of <0.1 to a OR >3.0) is due to the fact that chance events cause the treated and control patients to have a different likelihood of a mortality event during the time duration of the RCT. I have marked a point estimate RR that roughly reflects the Zoman trial's actual results. One can reasonably infer that the Zoman trial's "real life" RR results could easily be due to chance, and not necessarily due to a "true" difference between the different therapeutic approaches. In other words, with such an underpowered trial, one can never exclude chance effects as being responsible for the trial's measured results (which is inferred by the very, very wide 95% CIs). -- continued in part 2.
# 6 of 14
February 17, 2006 02:46 (EST)
Jeffrey Mann
Sample size too small
Although I no longer practice medicine, and therefore I am not really interested in whether facilitated PCI is better than primary PCI, I am still very interested in how best to accurately interpret RCT evidence. I think that many physicians don't understand how to accurately interpret RCT evidence because they do not adequately consider the role of chance in RCTs, which are usually too underpowered in "real life" clinical practice. In this communication, I will attempt to demonstrate how chance can potentially affect a RCT's results - if the control event rate (CER) is too low. The mortality-CER in the reported facilitated PCI trials is usually low (~4%) and I will use the mortality results to make my point about low CER trials. First of all, there were two papers in the Lancet. The first paper was the ASSENT-4 RCT. The other paper was a meta-analysis of facilitated PCI versus primary PCI RCTs (including the results of the ASSENT-4 RCT). The meta-analysis theoretically has the advantage because the sample size is larger (4500 patients) while the ASSENT-4 trial only consisted of ~1700 patients. However, the meta-analysis suffers from a heterogeneity problem because there was a large variation in types of studies (eg. thrombolytic versus PG2a3b inhibitor therapy). However, the biggest problem is that both the ASSENT-4 trial and the meta-analysis combined results are too underpowered from a sample size perspective (sample size too small for a low CER of 4%). To understand my argument, consider the following presentation. Look at the graph of short term mortality for all the RCTs incorporated in the meta-analysis. See -- http://jeffmann.net/soapbox/Mortality-MT.jpg Note the large variation in mortality-OR for the different RCTs. They vary considerably in both direction (some are OR+ and others OR-) and magnitude. Why is there such a large variation? The most logical explanation is the effect of chance events in low CERs. Consider the following hypothetical simulation of 1,000 trials where the mortality CER is 4%, and where the mortality difference between facilitated and primary PCI is actually zero (the pre-defined "no bias" mortality RR is arbitrarily set at 1.0), and where the sample size is 110 patients (same size as the Zoman trial). See -- http://jeffmann.net/soapbox/Mortality-110patients.jpg Note the wide 95%CI of the 1,000 simulated trials which all have a "true" zero mortality difference (no "real" difference between facilitated versus primary PCI). The large variation in point estimate values (from a RR of <0.1 to a OR >3.0) is due to the fact that chance events cause the treated and control patients to have a different likelihood of a mortality event during the time duration of the RCT. I have marked a point estimate RR that roughly reflects the Zoman trial's actual results. One can reasonably infer that the Zoman trial's "real life" RR results could easily be due to chance, and not necessarily due to a "true" difference between the different therapeutic approaches. In other words, with such an underpowered trial, one can never exclude chance effects as being responsible for the trial's measured results (which is inferred by the very, very wide 95% CIs). -- continued in part 2.
# 7 of 14
February 18, 2006 03:43 (EST)
Ryan Schrale
Jeff
That's a bit long to read. Is your point that the ASSENT-4 trial was underpowered?
# 8 of 14
February 18, 2006 08:51 (EST)
Melissa Walton-Shirley
The last straw
Jeff, You obviously have no ability to understand that there is beauty in brevity. You loose all effectiveness and credibility by rambling. Only Ophelia from Shakespear's Hamlet could compete with your posts. (Even at the pinacle of her madness she knew she was going long "indeed without an oath, I'll make an end to it" she cried) Please don't bogg down the forum with self stimulating analysis that only the author can appreciate. NO ONE wants to wade through a post like yours. Even statisticians would wish for an early conclusion or a sudden death in the middle of reading it. (I know you accidentally copied it three times, but the initial post is too long too) I understand that you have loads of time on your hands and I'm glad that you have earned that respite, but the rest of us are wrestling with an impossible schedule and we don't have time for it , plus it's boring as hell. Therefore, the next time you post a rambling statistical analysis, I am going to banish you from the forum for as long as we both shall live. The should put "an end to it". Melissa
# 9 of 14
February 18, 2006 11:20 (EST)
Jeffrey Mann
Extrem meaasures
Melissa I only posted the two-part post once. I don't know why the first part was subsequently duplicated 3X over. I presume it was a computer glitch. I am little puzzled by the extreme vehemence of your response, because you are not obliged to read my posts. Also, it is extremely cheap to host/archive forum posts for the few people who may find my posts of interest. Jeff.
# 10 of 14
February 18, 2006 05:03 (EST)
Melissa Walton-Shirley
Are you kidding? A forum moderator should not read the posts on the forum?
Jeffrey. It appears that you are utilizing this forum to advertise your website and archive your opinions. I think we would all appreciate your just utilizing your own wordperfect and hit "file" instead. Melissa
# 11 of 14
February 18, 2006 07:17 (EST)
Larry Husten
The End of an Era
Hi Everyone, I think we've all had enough. Over the years many people have used tbis Forum to promote their marginal or iconoclastic views. No one supports free speech or the free exchange of ideas more than myself, but this forum simply is not the proper place for people to launch their attacks on mainstream medicine and industry. I want to make clear that we welcome intelligent criticism of industry and thoughtful discussion of clinical practice by cardiologists and other cardiovascular healthcare professionals. What we don't want, however, is one-sided discussions or harangues by people with an axe to grind. If you want to promote a viewpoint or a philosophy, start your own website or find another space on the worldwide web. If you want to attack industry or mainstream medical practice, with no regard for the real world practice of medicine, go elsewhere. If you want to explain to the world why they are wrong and your own views about things like clinical trials, or lipids are the right views, then go somewhere else. If you want to denigrate someone who disagrees with you, go somewhere else. If, on the other hand, you want to share thoughts and ideas with your colleagues across the world. we want to welcome you here and hope you will find the experience worthwhile. Best, Larry Husten News & Features Editor TheHeart.Org
# 12 of 14
February 21, 2006 04:26 (EST)
Giuseppe Tarantini
wake-up call
The amount of of available data show that we might respect the Risk-Time relationship in STEMI (AJC 05; 96:1503, Circulation. 2005;112:2017-21); before designing future trial comparing PCI vs farmaco-invasive strategies. The survival benefit of primary PCI over lytic or combo tehrapy is largely influenced by the risk of the patients and PCI related delay (i.e.for high risk patients PCI related delay is longer than 60 minutes). Preospital triage of STEMI patients should take into accont predestination protocol based on risk of the patients first and total ischemic time.
# 13 of 14
February 22, 2006 01:06 (EST)
Mehrdad Saririan
Extreme measures
Melissa, I am shocked by the hostility of your response to Jeff's post,
# 14 of 14
February 22, 2006 09:20 (EST)
Melissa Walton-Shirley
More to the story than meets the eye.....
Mehrhad, Jeff states outright in this series of posts that he isn't "interested in whether primary PCI is better than facilitated" which defeats the purpose of the question posed by our editor, Larry Husten. Jeff utilizes this website to advertise for his own, which is also not the goal of the heart.org forum. I apologize only for my irritability, not my opinion. The goal for the heart.org forum is to make a place for practicing cardiologists and health care providers to come together to discuss clinical issues, research, case reports,and at times, vent therapeutically. It is not a place to satifsy obsessive compulsive behavior. I appreciate your shock at my demeanor. There needs to be more politeness in the world and most of the time, I stay within the realm of etiquette but that approach has not worked x multiple, hope this one will. Thanks for your sticking up for politeness. On that note, hope you have a good day. Melissa

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