Bold new report calls for blanket screening of all "at-risk" men and women using CT and carotid ultrasound
July 10, 2006 | Shelley Wood

Waco, TX - In a bold new report, a team of clinicians, pathologists, researchers, and imaging specialists is calling for blanket screening of at-risk asymptomatic men and women for subclinical atherosclerosis using computed tomography (CT) and/or carotid ultrasound [1]. The Screening for Heart Attack Prevention and Education (SHAPE) task-force report, appearing as a Pfizer-funded supplement to the American Journal of Cardiology (AJC), recommends screening of all at-risk men between the ages of 45 and 75 and all women age 55 to 75 years unless they have none of the following: cholesterol >200 mg/dL, blood pressure >120/80 mm Hg, diabetes, smoking, family history, or metabolic syndrome.

"We believe . . . the time has come to replace the traditional, imprecise risk-factor approach to individual risk assessment in primary prevention with an approach largely based on noninvasive screening for the disease itself (subclinical atherosclerosis)," the report states.

Adding some heft to the proposed strategy, Dr Valentin Fuster (Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York) is the guest editor (and reviewer) for the supplement and appears to give it a cautious endorsement in a note accompanying the paper [2].

Despite questions regarding [its] feasibility and practicality, the SHAPE guideline is a worthy and timely effort that . . . has the potential to transform the field of preventive cardiology.

"It is now obvious that new strategies are needed to fight the growing epidemic of atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease," Fuster writes. "In my view, the early detection and treatment of high-risk subclinical atherosclerosis is a leading candidate to fulfill that role. . . . Despite questions regarding the feasibility and practicality of such an ambitious proposal, the SHAPE guideline is a worthy and timely effort that goes beyond traditional risk assessment and has the potential to transform the field of preventive cardiology."

But while the report explicitly bills itself as "a new practice guideline for cardiovascular screening in the asymptomatic at-risk population," not everyone believes the terminology—let alone the proposed strategy—is appropriate.

"It's an opinion, it's not a guideline that's been vetted through any kind of ecumenical group of people who have any official standing to make clinical-practice guidelines," Dr Robert Califf (Duke Clinical Research Institute, Durham, NC) told heartwire. "There's enough evidence to have an opinion about this; I don't think there's enough evidence to have a policy about it. It's an interesting idea and it could be right. Then again, it may not be right."


The manifesto
There's enough evidence to have an opinion about this; I don't think there's enough evidence to have a policy about it.

The SHAPE task-force report is part three in a series of papers summarizing satellite symposia proceedings dubbed "From Vulnerable Plaque to Vulnerable Patient" held during the American College of Cardiology (ACC) and American Heart Association (AHA) meetings over the past five years [3,4]. Chair of the SHAPE task force and lead author on the papers is Dr Morteza Naghavi (American Heart Technologies, Houston, TX), widely acknowledged as the impassioned voice behind the push to give cardiac imaging a leading role in preventive cardiology. Naghavi is also the founder and president of the Houston-based Association for Eradication of Heart Attack (AEHA), a not-for-profit organization dedicated to researching mechanisms, prevention, detection, and treatment of acute MI; it is also the organizing force behind the Vulnerable Plaque symposia and the SHAPE guidelines.

Dr Morteza Naghavi (Source: AEHA)

The SHAPE document outlines the use of imaging technology to measure coronary artery calcium (CAC) using computed tomography (CT) and carotid-intima-media thickness (CIMT) and plaque using carotid ultrasound. The document also includes a cost-effectiveness analysis based on a series of plausible assumptions. While other imaging technologies might play a future screening role, the authors say, it is these two that the SHAPE task force decided fulfilled the criteria of being sufficiently evidence-based (in terms of predictive value), widely available, reproducible, complementary to other risk-factor assessment tools, and cost-effective relative to the status quo.

The proposal hinges on the basic principle that traditional risk-factor screening—using the Framingham Risk Score and the SCORE criteria in Europe—does a good job of identifying people at very low and very high risk of MI or stroke over a 10-year period but fails to single out "at-risk" men and women who represent everything in between. As Naghavi et al note in their proposal, the current AHA/National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP)-sanctioned guidelines permit the use of noninvasive screening tests as an option for additional risk assessment in "appropriately selected" individuals, at the physician's discretion.

"What's really new about [the SHAPE task-force report] is it really expands the types and numbers of individuals who are recommended for screening and moves imaging screening to the forefront," Dr Allen J Taylor (Walter Reed Army Medical Center, Washington, DC), a member of the editorial committee for the report, told heartwire. "So it is a broader effort in trying to get people screened for heart disease through a combination of traditional approaches and newer approaches like imaging; what's controversial is the low bar it sets for screening—it's virtually all middle-aged men and women who are not known to be extremely low risk, which is pretty much everybody. So it's a bit forward-thinking in that regard; whether that's a tenable position is a matter for debate."

The members of the writing committee, editorial committee, and advisors—as they are categorized according to their level of participation in the report—include some well-known names in cardiology and, in particular, cardiologists who have been at the forefront of cardiac imaging research. Yet the report itself has no official backing from the professional associations or bodies typically responsible for drawing up guidelines: the AHA, ACC, or the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI) and its NCEP.



Tepid praise, dismissals from the professional societies

In interviews with heartwire, spokespeople from the AHA, ACC, and NHLBI acknowledged the hard work of the AEHA and SHAPE task force but also emphasized that the proposed screening protocol was putting the cart before the horse.

"This is a group of scientists and clinicians who are proposing that we change the way we think about heart disease. It's a grassroots organization; it's not a professional society or advocacy society, and these are not AHA/ACC guidelines, I think they have an innovative proposal, it's very different from what we do now, and I think we do need to start thinking outside the box. But at this point, [the proposed strategy] hasn't been proven in a randomized clinical trial, so we need to test the hypothesis that we can prevent heart disease in the population at large; this proposes that we do that and provides the rationale for doing that." Dr Pamela Douglas (Duke University), ACC immediate past president. (Douglas was also a member of the SHAPE writing group.)

Dr Robert Bonow (Source: Northwestern University)

"It's a bold proposal. From my perspective and also from the AHA's, the idea of better primary prevention is always a good idea: the issue is whether you want to start with a high-tech screening approach and then do the rest of the risk factors once you've identified whose at risk, or whether you want to start with the less-expensive risk-factor assessment, treat all of those things to goal, and then identify the higher-risk people from that perspective before doing the high-tech risk assessment." Dr Robert Bonow (Northwestern University, Chicago, IL), AHA past president (2002-2003).

"The principle of identifying and treating asymptomatic persons who are at high risk for CVD is a laudable and major goal for preventive cardiology; however, the precise screening approach recommended by SHAPE has not been proven to reduce morbidity and mortality through randomized controlled trials, which is the type of evidence we'd like to see before making public-health recommendations. . . . The NHLBI is in the business of funding the research to help inform clinical practice, and right now the research is just not there." Dr Diana Bild, medical officer, Division of Epidemiology and Clinical Applications, NHLBI, Bethesda, MD.

-SW


We began to think, this is really crazy, we need to do something better; we should not be simply inventorying risk factors.

Experts acknowledge the simmering sense of frustration over the slow integration of modern imaging techniques into risk-factor screening. Naghavi speaks persuasively about the current "tunnel vision on risk factors." Likewise, Dr Prediman K Shah (Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles, CA), chief of the SHAPE editorial committee, described the AEHA's work in the field as "a labor of love. . . borne out of a sense of frustration and wanting to do something that would have an impact" in terms of preventing sudden cardiac death.

Dr Prediman K Shah (Source: Cedars-Sinai Medical Center)

"We are seeing patients who are considered not to be at risk based on Framingham assessment still having heart attacks and sudden death," Shah told heartwire. "We began to think, this is really crazy, we need to do something better; we should not be simply inventorying risk factors, we should be looking at the aggregate effect of known and unknown risk factors by actually examining the arteries directly to see whether the person has subclinical atherosclerosis or not."

Douglas agrees. "There's no question that there is a sense of frustration about why we haven't done better," she said. "Disability and mortality for acute MI has plummeted over the past 20 or 30 years, but at the same time, more people are getting heart disease than ever. . . . It's almost a failure of healthcare, that people develop cardiac disease. We know who is going to develop cardiac disease: we have a robust set of risk factors, we've got these screening tools that are diagnostic tests that have been proven in large populations over years and years to predict risk, we have therapeutic agents and therapeutic lifestyle adjustments that have also been proven to protect secondary prevention and even primary prevention. Why can't we put this together and keep people healthy?"

Dr Pamela Douglas (Duke University)

Even Bild, who emphasizes that the SHAPE document does not constitute "consensus guidelines," appreciates the fertile grounds from which it sprang.

"The basis for these recommendations is quite understandable, and that impatience is understandable both because there is a desire to prevent CVD and because these screening tests are available and they do predict disease. The problem is that what precisely should be done based on the test results is not entirely clear."


In the absence of evidence

And there's the rub, experts say. While evidence is accumulating that presence of atherosclerosis on imaging tests may be a better predictor of risk than presence or absence of traditional risk factors, no large randomized, controlled trials have demonstrated that patient outcomes are improved.

"There's this belief, and I think it's a tenable belief, that screening is effective at incrementally identifying risk," Taylor told heartwire. "But then where it breaks down is that the identification of risk has to lead to meaningful changes in management and patient behavior that downstream prevents events. And that hasn't been demonstrated. So it really acts on faith that on identification of risk, treatments would be fully and uniformly used, the harms and costs would be outweighed by benefits, and downstream more events would be prevented, and that's something that has not been fully worked out."

We don't have . . . the evidence that they can make a difference, whereas we do have an enormous amount of data that identifying people with high cholesterol or high blood pressure and treating them to goal can have a major impact in terms of clinical outcomes.

Bonow agrees. "Clearly, these imaging techniques are exciting, they're evolving, and they may be valuable. We know they can detect disease, but what we don't have is the evidence that they can make a difference, whereas we do have an enormous amount of data that identifying people with high cholesterol or high blood pressure and treating them to goal can have a major impact in terms of clinical outcomes. Calling these 'guidelines' is a little premature, because we don't have outcome evidence."

But others point out that the evidence supporting imaging tests like mammography for cancer screening is no better than the evidence for cardiovascular imaging. "The amazing thing is, screening for cancer is reimbursed, but screening for the most common disease that leads to death—CVD—is not reimbursed, and that's the paradox," Shah commented.

Naghavi is pragmatic: "Physicians want their patients to receive the best care, but the problem is they need to be reimbursed. A few insurance companies have realized this, although none of the big players, but unless Medicare supports this, the chance of getting a national adoption would be small."

Where everyone agrees is that clinical trials are warranted but the scope and cost of a trial are prohibitive. "We filed a report with NHLBI that said there should be a randomized trial of a strategy that looks pretty much like this vs usual care," but it was rejected, Califf said. "I would bet that trials like that will be done when and if the [National Institutes of Health] NIH budget gets restored," he predicted, adding that he gives the AEHA credit for putting forward "a strong case."

"I hope this actually leads to doing a randomized trial that would answer the questions," he said.

Asked whether the NHLBI is currently contemplating such a trial, Bild said no, although she acknowledged that it had been discussed in the past. "Such a study would be extremely expensive to conduct, but that doesn't mean the NHLBI would never do it."


Other hurdles

While the absence of incontrovertible proof is the overriding criticism of the proposed screening approach, additional quibbles emerged in interviews with heartwire.

First and foremost were concerns about industry sponsorship. Naghavi insisted to heartwire that full transparency is key to the broad acceptance of the guidelines and was happy to provide disclosure information for everyone associated with the proposal. Pfizer has been the "platinum" sponsor of the Vulnerable Plaque satellite symposia, but others, including GlaxoSmithKline, GE Healthcare, Bristol-Myers Squibb, DiaDexus, CV Therapeutics, and many more, have all been cosponsors in the past. The AEHA website was paid for by Pfizer—roughly US $20 000 according to Naghavi—as was the AJC supplement (US $55 800)—but cardiologists and others associated with the AEHA and the SHAPE task force have worked on a volunteer basis, Naghavi stated. He himself has not yet drawn a salary from the AEHA but says he hopes to in the future. Membership in the AEHA is free.

Notably, the first two Vulnerable Plaque publications were published in Circulation and were authored by a veritable Who's Who of cardiology—many of the most prestigious names do not appear on this third publication.

Technological aspects of the proposed strategy also came under scrutiny in interviews with heartwire. Douglas pointed to the very different regulatory approval granted to imaging technology as compared with drugs. "If an imaging company develops a new imaging technique, the 510K approval is a very low bar, especially compared with medications and what we expect of them to be sold in the marketplace."

Dr Robert Califf

Similarly, Califf noted that even if screening were accepted as a strategy, the next issue would be regulating the quality of the screens themselves. "If you look at mammography as an example, there are very rigid standards now and certification for doing screening mammography, you can't just set up shop and start doing it," he said.

There are also the risks to patients, not only of taking drugs with known toxicities deemed appropriate on the basis of imaging results, but also from radiation exposure. Fewer and fewer centers use plain old electron-beam (EB) CT and instead would likely use multislice CT, which images the heart as well as the arteries but delivers a much higher radiation dose than the EBCT of yesteryear.

Once you tell somebody that they actually have the disease and match them to the risk factors, they tend to get religion in terms of actually being motivated to change their behavior.

Other, less-tangible risks are difficult to distinguish from the purported benefits.

Many advocates of CAC and CIMT screening have long argued that the scans have the power to motivate physicians and patients alike. "Once you tell somebody that they actually have the disease and match them to the risk factors, they tend to get religion in terms of actually being motivated to change their behavior and take medication that they ordinarily would not have agreed to take," Shah explained. But Taylor, who published a 2003 paper in the Journal of the American Medical Association specifically testing this theory, challenges that. As reported by heartwire, his study showed that seeing evidence of CAC did not appear to result in patients being more motivated to make lifestyle changes [5].

"How many people read the warning labels on cigarettes and continue to smoke?" Taylor asks. "How many step on a scale and say, oh my god, and eat less that day and then go right back to the same behavior? It's not the epiphany that people think it is."

Indeed, Taylor thinks the strategy could actually backfire, at least in terms of patient effects. "We know that labeling people with hypertension, which is another asymptomatic diagnosis, actually is a measurable detriment to quality of life, so it's reasonable to assume that labeling someone with atherosclerosis would also be detrimental to their quality of life. Imagine your quality of life after you've been told you're sick and have to take pills the rest of your life."

But Taylor also argues that to focus on patient behavior may be the wrong approach: "If it's something that motivates physicians to be more attentive and use the right medications, that's a good thing in itself."

Other, more benign, influences may also have a hand—namely professional interests, reputations, and an unshakable belief in the power of imaging—at least among the believers.

"Knowing most of the people on this paper, I would say they are well motivated but not unbiased," Califf told heartwire. "Most of them have devoted their lives to developing better methods of imaging and of course to making earlier diagnoses of vascular disease and doing something about it, so it's hardly surprising that they'd also be providing clinical services related to that effort, for something they believe in. But the beauty of professional societies and government guidelines and performance measures is that people who are not financially or conceptually biased toward a particular point of view must vet these things."


The way forward

Shah believes, however, that the momentum is growing, as is the pool of professionals who believes things should change. "This is true of every medical innovation: initially there is significant skepticism, and eventually the studies come out and you can begin to see that there's something here that makes sense. . . . It's going to take some time for us to convince the Framingham mafia that we can do a better job by incorporating imaging into that scale, but I also don't think it's a case of either/or; I think we need both, because you need to know what the risk factors are to modify them." Indeed, everyone interviewed by heartwire, while supporting or rejecting the SHAPE proposal to varying degrees, agreed that imaging deserved a bigger role in risk prediction.

This group is . . . a group with passion, but I think the technology they're talking about is evolving slowly.

Fuster, in an interview, emphasized that the primary goal of publication was education and said he did not think the time had come for full adoption of a blanket screening approach. "It's still expensive, it's still not sensitive and specific enough, and it still has some radiation, at least in the case of CT. My view of this group is very positive, it's a group with passion, but I think the technology they're talking about is evolving slowly. You need these kind of passionate people, and particularly in this context, they are doing a very good job."

Dr Valentin Fuster

New imaging guidelines from the AHA and ACC are currently under review and anticipated to be released in the fall. And while the SHAPE task-force report may appear to be a preemptive strike, from a mix of zeal and impatience, Douglas points out that imaging strategies are already widely in use. "There are screening tests available, people are using them as screening tests, they're being marketed directly to the public in some cases, and the patient-care algorithms are not necessarily being done appropriately, intelligently, or in a uniform way. So in some ways, actually, practice has gotten ahead of the guidelines, rather than the guideline proposal getting ahead of practice."

Califf observed that as long as patients are willing to pay for information, some physicians would be happy to provide it. "It's a matter of political philosophy whether you think that's the right thing to do, but there's plenty of people in Minneapolis-St Paul who have enough money that if they want to go in and get a carotid ultrasound and a calcium score, they just pull out their credit card and pay for it."

Naghavi himself acknowledges that the direct-to-consumer marketing is one thing holding the field back. "The company that developed EBCT did the greatest disservice to the field. They were too excited about the technology to collect the evidence we have now. But this should not be the reason for healthcare national policy makers to think that because there were some wrongdoings, they will not consider the evidence. This is a problem of the entire culture—we care more for sick-care than healthcare, and I don't think we would be able to make a huge impact overnight, but this is the first step."

Whether clinicians will be eager to incorporate this imaging strategy in their practices or wait for "true" guidelines is anyone's guess.

"Individual clinicians are going to have to make some of these decisions on their own, because we just don't have the evidence yet to say yes or no, this is the way to go," Bild acknowledges. "And unfortunately, much of medicine is practiced in that context, in the face of imperfect evidence."

Douglas agrees: "Everybody's got their own bar. There are 30 or 40 well-recognized cardiologists and scientists on this document who think this strategy is reasonable."

Even AJC editor Dr William Roberts (Baylor College of Medicine, Waco, TX), who cautioned against oversimplifying the subject of vulnerable plaque, its role, and its detection, told heartwire, "I don't think any government authority or the two major cardiological organizations have any unequivocal authority" over how clinicians run their practices.

And sometimes a lack of evidence can't keep a field from moving forward. "One of the problems when government organizations are sponsors of guidelines is that they can't say anything without absolute proof that it's accurate," Roberts commented. "That's not the real world. If you have to prove something in court, then those are the things you have to go with, but I don't think it's always the best thing for patient care."

Bonow is a consultant for Bristol-Myers Squibb medical imaging. Douglas serves as a consultant to and/or receives support from GE Healthcare, Northpoint Domain, and Medtronic; she holds shares in CardioDX, GE Healthcare, Genentech, Millennium, Momenta Pharmaceuticals, and Northpoint Domain. Naghavi has served as a scientific advisor to and/or received support from Pfizer Inc and diaDexus and is a consultant to and shareholder in Endothelix and Volcano Corp; Taylor receives research/grant support from Kos Pharmaceuticals and has received educational honoraria from Kos Pharmacueticals, Pfizer, and Wyeth.

Sources
  1. Naghavi M, Falk E, Hecht HS, et al. From vulnerable plaque to vulnerable patient: Part III. Introducing a new paradigm for the prevention of heart attack; identification and treatment of the asymptomatic vulnerable patient. Screening for Heart Attack Prevention and Education (SHAPE) task force report. Executive summary. Am J Cardiol 2006; DOI: 10.1016/j.amjcard.2006.03.002. Available at http://www.ajconline.org.
  2. Fuster V. Foreword. Am J Cardiol 2006; 98suppl):vi.
  3. Naghavi M, Libby P, Falk E, et al. From vulnerable plaque to vulnerable patient: a call for new definitions and risk assessment strategies: Part II. Circulation 2003; 108:1772-1778.
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Your comments
Bold new report calls for blanket screening of all "at-risk" men and women using CT and carotid ul
# 1 of 17
July 11, 2006 01:27 PM (EDT)
Paul Lee
We perform carotid IMT on everyone
In my private practice clinic I scan everyone for carotid IMT (without using any special software) during echo, even though it is not reimbursed. I thought carotid IMT can be acquired quickly and without radiation risk, and I can do it easily on everyone (unlike cardiac CT) with minimal increase in scanning time.

My impression (I have not tabulated the data) is that most patients with multivessel diseases have moderately or severely abnormal carotid IMT, even if nuclear finding is only mildly abnormal. In addition, showing patients they have a plaque in the carotid strongly motivate them to take their statin. If nuclear scan is normal but carotid IMT is abnormal, we tell the patients they have non-obstructive atheroslerosis, and that helps guide our preventive treatment (for example, we would start someone with milldy elevated LDL if carotid IMT is elevated even in the absence of Framingham risk factors.)

I think of Carotid IMT as a window to the patient's plaque burden.

Paul C Lee MD
Cardiac cath lab
Mount Sinai School of Medicine, NYC.
# 2 of 17
July 11, 2006 04:03 PM (EDT)
D Hackam
agreed
I think we are too inclined to treat inferior surrogate measures such as blood pressure values and cholesterol panels without any knowledge of what is happening to the arterial wall. It makes sense to me to have some sort of marker that is much closer to the vascular biology of the patient at hand and can be used to gauge progression or regression of plaque, determining how aggressive we need to be between visits. However I acknowledge that the vast majority of the medical community does not (yet) practice medicine this way; rather, we are all taught to treat by numbers. Slowly we are getting round to the idea that global risk conveyed by imaging is a much more powerful and accurate status indicator for treatment that simple physiologic parameters like HR, BP, and lipids.
# 3 of 17
July 11, 2006 11:58 PM (EDT)
Giuliano Bortoluzzi
Primary Prevention
All these information about these test are very good, but still doesn't come, bringing solution for CVD epidemic in the world, nor even in the US, a rich country. Even a trial, proving that these methods can change heart disease prevalence, the US can afford for. Imagine screening people this way. When could it be possible?

I live in Brazil, have 33 years old and recently reviewed Circulation Controversies Article about pros e cons of CAC Score. The nowadays data doesn't convince about screening with EBCT, and we all know it. Even the professionals that participated in SHAPE guidelines knows.

I've been in World Heart Federation's Prevention Conference here in Foz do Iguaçu last year and could see 700 people from all over the world, including Drs. Fuster and Yussuf, Dr. Tuomihleto from Finland, people from the Framingham and the Interheart. There was 3 propaganda stand (from Becel, Aspirin Prevent (Bayer) and another one) and just few people from marketing. But some news for me were really astonishing. People from Finnrisk in Finland helped reducing to 80% the incidence in MI in 20 years mainly from lifestyle modification (8% of the reduction occured with invasive approach to ACS). These data shows the possible way to go. Wouldn't it be better at least by these days, to press industry for better policies on food, intensify primary prevention approaches and being more tough with our patients, so they could take their medication for real, instead of complicating more and more the approach.

If someday anybody come with data proving and convincing we should do another way, so i could change my mind, even living in a low-meduim income country. But at these days, these new way SHAPE are trying to teach us how to prevent heart disease doe's not convince at all. And anybody that say directly by an opposite way, can have their assumptions questioned.
# 4 of 17
July 12, 2006 12:11 AM (EDT)
Melissa Walton-Shirley
Agree
Guiliano,
Agree. The studies analyzing the impact of lifestyle characteristics like the mediterranean diet adherence, daily exercise, night shift work, stress, etc. really drive that point home. When it comes down to it, natural prevention is better where possible and nature never comes in a bottle.
Melissa
# 5 of 17
July 12, 2006 04:44 AM (EDT)
Westby Fisher
Financial Incentive vs Public Good
I have posted on this in my blog regarding by concerns with these recommendations at and am concerned about both cost to our patients and conflict of interests that exist when high-cost tests with unknown long-term carcinogenic risks are recommended on a large-scale basis. Realize that in 2004 dollars, the average out-of-pocket health care costs were just over $6100 per year for the average patient. How can we justify a "screening test" that costs nearly 5% of their entire annual healthcare budget?
# 6 of 17
July 12, 2006 06:14 PM (EDT)
Bradley Bale
we have retrospective data to strengthen this advice
I am a family doc who has been using CACS and or CIMT to screen my patients for the last eleven years. We have tested over 3200 patients now and approximately 10% are secondary prevention. There has been only one patient to have a heart attack on treatment and two who went off treatment. There has been only one coronary mortality and that patient switched providers where her five meds were discontinued - she died six weeks later. Historically we should have seen over 100 events and 10 to 20 deaths. I believe our screening with CACS and CIMT has played a large role in our results. Admittidly there may be few patients lost to follow-up that might add to the event number, but I would think very few. The NIH could have a epidemiology team do a retrospective study of this population to throw more light on this proposal from SHAPE.
For more insight on our work please check www.theheart.org search "aggressive treatment"
I would be interested in comments.
Sincerely,
Bradley Field Bale, MD
bale20@msn.com
# 7 of 17
July 12, 2006 08:31 PM (EDT)
Melissa Walton-Shirley
Go Dr. Fuster!!
Bradley,
Welcome to the heart.org forum. Thanks for your post.
I've long advocated mass screening of asymptomatic but at risk individuals both in and outside of the cardiovascular arena. (Not just carotids and coronaries, abdominal ultrasound screening should be included for AAA screening/renal cell carcinoma/ovarian cancer.) It just makes sense, but probably didn't 20 years ago when we couldn't do much about carotid placquing anyway.
It's high time that we updated our approach to at risk patients. Bravo Dr. Fuster!!
Melissa
# 8 of 17
July 13, 2006 01:23 AM (EDT)
Bradley Bale
thanks Melissa
We have routinely been doing AAA screening along with PAD screening. I did not mention that in my note since the article was addressing the CACS and CIMT. We agree with you on an aggressive screening program followed by a global approach treating the risk factors. As mentioned in the article on theheart.org regarding my Rome presentation, one does not need to reduce LDL below 70 to get regression if a global approach is taken. What did you think about the retrospective study idea?
Bradley Bale
# 9 of 17
July 13, 2006 05:38 AM (EDT)
Mike Hawke
screen
we need to be intellectually honest..of course screening with carotids would help with prevention of cad.
if we can't afford it we can't afford it.
don't say "oh it doesn't work' just because we can't afford it.
that is like countries that can't afford aggressive cath therapy saying 'oh these patients can wait for their bypass/cabg and we can do non invasive testing'
be honest..if they can't afford to routinely cath just say so...as physicians and scientists we need intellectually honesty not political correctness for our patients and our own conscience
# 10 of 17
July 13, 2006 07:59 AM (EDT)
Melissa Walton-Shirley
Every bit helps
Bradley,
Thoughtful examination , either prospectively or retrospectively, will shed light upon this subject and will impact patient motivation as you mentioned but ultimately reimbursement issues.
How many times have I sent an elderly patient to CABG with no carotid Bruit to "justify" just a plain carotid ultrasound.When we do this, it's always bundled into the admission. Since we can't even get the third party payors to understand the wisdom in this practice, we have a long way to go in changing attitude about placque and prevention. Every bit helps. I applaud your efforts.
Melissa
# 11 of 17
July 13, 2006 08:56 AM (EDT)
john younger
Time for a change
CIMT probably does more than just demonstrate plaque burden. A recent JACC article, using cardiac MRI, shows that
'Greater carotid IMT is associated with alterations of myocardial strain parameters reflecting reduced systolic and diastolic myocardial function' - Fernandes et al, J Am Coll Cardiol 2006;47:2420–8. This demonstrates the relationship between subclinical atherosclerosis and incipient myocardial dysfunction.

The time is coming for us to stop deciding on a patients risk profile by using surrogate measures of atherosclerosis, like BP and lipids, and to start imaging for arterial plaque. In years gone by, we assessed patients by clinical examination to establish the presence or absence of disease. Today, if we find an abnormality, we confirm or suspicions with a test, because we get more accurate results. Aortic stenosis provides a good example.
Even it the patient has severe aortic stenosis by examination, if the valve and LV look good on echo, the clinical findings are just misleading. The same will apply with coronary disease. Do you care about your normal BP if you already have plaque? We all have lots of patients post MI with 'normal' risk profiles. CAD is multifactorial, and just because your measured parameters are normal does not mean that you are not at risk. If YOUR CCAS was through the roof, would'nt you take a statin regardless of your risk profile? Surely our patients deserve the same standard care.
# 12 of 17
July 13, 2006 12:45 PM (EDT)
Bradley Bale
these screening tools work
There certainly is value in assessing risk factors to aid in determining risk. Every one should have a FRS calculated and if it is moderately high or high, you have a patient that deserves global risk factor assessment and aggressive treatment. We all realize many people who do not calculate high risk are actually at high risk. Many of these people can be uncovered by inexpensive screening for the presence of atherosclerosis by CIMT or CACS. If plaque is demonstrated, that person has atherosclerosis. It is an oxymoron to try to say it is mild or severe since we now know most events occur from non-obstructing plaque. What is probably more important is testing that addresses the current inflammatory state with tests such as HsCRP, PLAC-2, microalbuminuria, fibrinogen, etc. As mentioned in an earlier comment, we have taken this approach for years now with what appears to be stellar results. I propose a retrospective look at that data.
# 13 of 17
August 23, 2006 03:26 PM (EDT)
Jacques Barth
IMT measurement in combination with plaque assessment is great
Compliment for Mort for finally putting forth a new approach, as the old one was not working. Early detection is critical and IMT heartscan in combination with lesion assessment and plaques vulenrability are just the best, low cost efficient, portable, reproducible. just look at carotid intima media thickness and beyond in current drug targets cardiovascular & Haematological Disorders 2004;4:129-145
Keepp up the good work
# 14 of 17
August 24, 2006 08:55 AM (EDT)
Espinoza Andrey
Finally
A proposal that makes sense and can effect change..........we have long rested our risk assesment on models that were intuitive at the time but natural progression dictates that we continue to find ways to improve cardiovascular care and shift our goals from secondary prevention to primary....we have great medications that clearly are more effective when started early in the course of a disease process.....a blind eye has not been able to detect thousands of at risk individuals becasue they were inherently biased and narrow focussed.....given the absence of adequate prediction models early detection and treatment is the way to begin to truly make a difference on the number one worldwide leader in mortality!!

So, BRAVO to the "Opinion" makers and shame on those who refuse to accept that we have not been "perfect" with the medicine we have practiced all these years...
# 15 of 17
August 26, 2006 06:13 PM (EDT)
Mike Hawke
getting paid
how do we get paid for doing all these screening?
Is there a screening code for medicare I am not aware of?
# 16 of 17
August 26, 2006 09:44 PM (EDT)
Melissa Walton-Shirley
Cuts
Speaking of getting paid, I was told by my practice analyst that cuts of 25% are in place for 2007's reimbursement for performing CT angiography?
Melissa
# 17 of 17
August 27, 2006 08:41 AM (EDT)
bob o'neill
ct
I know that cuts are coming across the board next year.
I'm still not sure whether it is worthwhile buying a ct.
The reimbursement is not that great per study once you pay your tech and the radiologist. I think we will wait to see how the hospital volume is; it maybe with the radiologists reading them we will be able to do more cathss and interventions?
It is pretty time intensive and I don't see it being the 'cash cow' nuclear is.
I don't see the harm in waiting to buy the machine and see how it all shakes out.
I think for people with a low probability of diease it is fine but otherwise it doesn't seem very specific.

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