Cleveland, OH - Dr Jay Yadav has lost his job at the Cleveland Clinic after failing to provide full disclosure about his conflicts of interest regarding the AngioGuard filter-based protection device developed for use during carotid-stenting procedures. Yadav, who was promoted to the position of chair of Cleveland Clinic Foundation Innovations in October 2005, has been at the Cleveland Clinic since 1998.
A statement released by the clinic said that the institution would not be commenting publicly on "specific situations," but confirmed that Yadav had lost his position there as part of a larger process of refining conflict-of-interest processes.
"The Board of Governors of the Cleveland Clinic today took action not to reappoint Jay Yadav, MD to its medical staff," the statement reads. "He is no longer at the clinic. As an institution, we will continue to strongly encourage innovation while eliminating and managing conflicts."
The news is the latest conflict-of-interest controversy to hit the prestigious institution.
Events detailed in the press
A comprehensive exposé by reporter Joel Rutchick in the Cleveland Plain Dealer outlines the events that led to Yadav's dismissal, which centered on his failure to disclose a 1% royalty fee that he has continued to receive from Cordis/Johnson & Johnson (J&J) on sales of AngioGuard devices. Yadav had originally invented the device and helped establish and owned shares in the company that developed it, AngioGuard Inc, which was sold to J&J in 1999 for approximately US $40 million: the 1% royalties were allegedly described as a "deferred payment" in the deal. Yadav also led the SAPPHIRE trial, comparing coronary stenting with surgery, as well as several other studies examining the use of the AngioGuard device.
As noted by the Plain Dealer, "Yadav didn't fully disclose his conflict in writing in numerous medical-journal articles published after 2000 that discussed the SAPPHIRE trial or prominently mentioned AngioGuard . . . . In many instances, he failed to note his financial ties with Cordis at all, including in a 2003 article in which he predicted that a Cordis stent and AngioGuard filter would be the first devices to gain FDA approval for use in patients at high risk for surgery."
In fact, if the AngioGuard device were successful, Yadav clearly stood to reap financial gain through the 1% royalty payment. For his part, Yadav has said he did not realize he was still receiving payments from the sale of his device to Cordis/J&J and in a statement said that he "was not involved in the sale of the company in 1999 and was aware only of the major points of the transactions." Moreover, he "believed that the deferred payments, as the phrase suggests, were simply a deferral of a portion of the initial payment. He was unaware until reviewing the documents in detail yesterday about the variable component linked to global sales. These payments were a small fraction (approximately 1%) of the overall transactions, and there were no sales in the USA."
These funds, he now says, will be donated to charity "to avoid even the appearance of impropriety."
Keeping mum on conflicts of interest
The Plain Dealer article notes that, even during the 2004 FDA advisory-panel deliberations over the AngioGuard device, Yadav did not present any of the evidence about the device out of concern that FDA officials might frown on Yadav's conflict of interest. "Here, as he often did in the years before and after, Yadav avoided fully disclosing his personal stake," Rutchick wrote.
In fact, Rutchick continued, even Yadav's Cleveland Clinic colleague, Dr Kenneth Ouriel, who presented the SAPPHIRE results to the FDA panel, had conflicts that were not properly disclosed. "He had been a paid consultant to Cordis, records show," writes Rutchick, but "Ouriel did not tell the FDA panel about that relationship."
The Cleveland Clinic yesterday said that in addition to what Ouriel did disclose (hotel and travel expenses) he also received royalties of roughly $500 per year. "His failure to disclose that compensation was an oversight," the Plain Dealer quotes the clinic.
Also noted in Rutchick's article are problems with the AngioGuard trials, some of which have raised the ire of FDA officials who have requested further study of the AngioGuard device after its panel was split six to five on the device's approvability. Aspects of the trials faulted include inadequate enrollment, patient inclusion/exclusion criteria, appropriate patient follow-up, and timely adverse-event reporting, the Plain Dealer notes. Indeed, in 2005, the FDA issued Yadav a warning, "threatening to disqualify him from participating in clinical trials unless he made corrections," Rutchick wrote. Even more problematic, a paper published by Yadav and colleagues in 2005 reported a complication seen in high-risk stroke patients: nearly 10% experienced reduced blood flow, likely a result of filter clogging, and "nearly 10% of those patients suffered a stroke within 30 days, an adverse-outcome rate more than three times higher than that of patients with normal flow." Although the filter is identified as the "culprit" in the paper, no analysis was done to determine whether this adverse effect was seen more often with one device than another; the AngioGuard device was used in two thirds of the procedures, the Plain Dealer notes.
"The clinic said the results were reported but may have been inadvertently omitted on publication," Rutchick writes. "Whether it was intentional or inadvertent, the omission is 'questionable,' [former New England Journal of Medicine editor Dr Jerome P] Kassirer said, since the detail has scientific and clinical relevance."
Unwelcome publicity at the Cleveland Clinic
The Yadav dismissal is the latest conflict-of-interest controversy to hit the Cleveland Clinic, as reported by heartwire and major mainstream media. Last year, the clinic and its CEO, Dr Toby Cosgrove, were in the spotlight and Cosgrove himself had to step down as a board director for AtriCure Inc after a hospital conflicts-of-interest committee called for stricter guidelines governing employee ties to industry. Trials of AtriCure devices were taking place at the Clinic at the same time that the Clinic, and Cosgrove, held shares in the company.
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August 21, 2006 12:36 (EDT)
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About time Joel Rutchick in the Cleveland Plain Dealer follows the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal in exposing faculty/practitioner's conflicts of interest with drug companies and others. The firing of Jay Yadav at Cleveland Clinic is a good start.
I can see the floodgate of print and TV unleashing on doctors that are willing to sell the health and safety of their patients for few bucks.
Oops, if you went to medical school thinking that you would be a drug pusher someday, your days as a practicing physician are numbered.
Physicians are fair game and we should welcome these developments. |
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August 21, 2006 12:43 (EDT)
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For Real ? Is this the real thing or is Yadav the victim of a witch hunt ? Just inquiring.
Fahim H. Jafary
Aga Khan University Hospital
Karachi, Pakistan |
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August 21, 2006 07:47 (EDT)
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who cares I'm Jay Yadav and just made 40 million up front and get back end royalites...hmm..do I care if I'm fired by ...who is the Cleveland Clinic again...I think I'll sit on a beach for uhh...the rest of my life!
Oh if I can't find another hospital to hire me(which I can) I will just build my own..oh yeah I'm Jay Yadav and just made 40$million! |
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August 21, 2006 07:48 (EDT)
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shout out.. Jay, if your are really out there... a big "shout out or Cramer Buha" for those that watch him on CNBC.
Good job on getting yours in a system that generally cuts doctors out of making huge profits like the companies and hospitals do.
Kudo's my friend and I'm jealous! |
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August 21, 2006 02:39 (EDT)
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devil's advocate position
It may be time to ask whether institutions have gone too far in the prevailing Spanish Inquisition regarding conflicts-of-interest.
If I remember correctly, Olympic athletes and others are allowed (even encouraged) to wear the labels, trademarks, and advertisements of the companies and industries that support their efforts. Companies pay for prominent product placements in TV shows and commericals. Actors speak on behalf of their causes and the studios that back them. Politicians associate themselves with political parties and political causes ("Republican", "Democratic", etc).
In medicine, one is discouraged or even recused from sharing an opinion on a therapy from a company which supported your past research or other efforts. It's always seemed a tad strange to me that drug regulatory bodies, journals, and universities don't trust physicians to share open-minded and unbiased opinions. Shouldn't the burden of (dis)proof be with the institution rather than the investigator/author? |
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August 22, 2006 12:12 (EDT)
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dan on target Dan,
As usual your insight cuts through a quagmire of politcal rhetoric and correctness.
Your analysis raises embarrassing questions for the institutions and companies that trust doctors to make them lots of money in treating patients and devising new therapies; but those same doctors can't be trusted to be ambassadors for the companies that supported them?!
To use a song from the 80's "Things that make you go hmmm?!" |
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August 22, 2006 09:08 (EDT)
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thanks Mike Mike,
Thanks very much for your kind words. I am worried about the discrediting of doctors who render professional opinions (eg, on FDA advisory boards) merely because at some point in the past their work was supported by industry. This then gets into the public media which has a field day with doctors' reputations. Why are MD's thought to have opinions that are more biased or less trustworthy than other so-called experts?
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August 22, 2006 12:18 (EDT)
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a couple of remarks Firstly, congratulations Dan on the Lancet publication
Secondly, I see no problem with physicians giving their honest opinion about a diagnostic or treatment modality (and me believing it) as long as I know where they stand financially wrt the modality and its sponsor
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August 22, 2006 03:38 (EDT)
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This case is about disclosure, not COI per se The issue in this case is not that physicians cannot have ties to industry/patents/etc. and still give unbiased opinions; the issue is that they need to disclose those ties, and Yadav failed to disclose a huge COI.
Of course, with the the Cleveland Clinic leading this "Spanish Inquisition," it's somewhat entertaining that several of their own have been caught up in the fury.
As for whether things have gone too far, who knows. Is it reasonable for JAMA not to accept any industry papers in which the statistical analysis is done in-house? Are these statisticians not capable of being unbiased? If Yadov and his $40 million windfall can still be unbiased, surely the industry scientists can, too, right? |
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August 22, 2006 11:53 (EDT)
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Can anyone find the patient buried beneath the rubble? I agree with SS . However, I can't help but wonder about the patient who signs in next week to Dr. Yadav's clinic and is informed that his doctor is no longer employed there. Where does that leave him? I don't think any of us should be in the medical profession with the ultimate goal of making 40 million dollars. Instead, we should be more concerned with making 40 million correct diagnoses in our lifetime. As with any job, a comfortable living, health care, debt free retirement .......these are all entities that we view as perks but the average blue collar worker would view as luxuries . When a dollar sign stands between the doctor and his patient, the patient always loses and any private patient of Dr. Yadav's will be lost for quite a while.
Melissa
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August 23, 2006 08:11 (EDT)
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Good point Very salient point, Melissa. I'm somewhat ashamed to admit I hadn't even begun to consider that aspect.
Hopefully we'll return to some happy, sane medium. The level of supsicion and cynicism right now is probably needed to at least adjust the system, but at the same time, the excessiveness may actually hurt the dissemination of information. |
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August 23, 2006 03:34 (EDT)
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Be careful, Melissa We have yet to hear from Jay Yadav, correct? We also do not know that his motivation was anything but, "...to make 40 million correct diagnoses" as you state.
Perhaps, if we can temper our envy/jealousy, we should entirely disregard the issue that he made $40 million. No one is claiming this was unethically obtained, right? I am sure he paid a lot of taxes on this money which should help with blue-collar benefits. Better yet, maybe he started a company that gives excellent benfits to help transition blue-collars to white-collars. To the contrary Melissa, if more physicians possessed a fraction of Dr. Yadav's ambition, perhaps, we wouldn't have to outsource as many jobs.
Do patients always "lose" as you put it because there is profit in medicine? Applying your logic, consumers would "lose" when they pay a mechanic, lawyer, or blue-collar worker for that matter. I submit that our patients ultimately benefit. Many of our greatest advances came from physicians. The sole reason you have technological advancement of our practice is due to profit (an evil word, right?) and recognition (in industry-sponsored journals). How many new therapies came out of Bangladesh last year?
Let's forget the political banter, as it's truly irrelevant.
We should wonder why this really occurred? Is it over a deferred 1% of US sales (I believe that is $0 dollars)? If so, why have others from the same institution remained in their positions of power when strikingly similar and arguably worse COIs have been exposed ? The Atricure IPO raised 48 million!!...why wasn't the same knee-jerk reaction applied ? How many of the CEO's original competitors or similarly accomplished colleagues remain at the Clinic ? Is this move part of a larger agenda to emasculinate cardiology which is no longer a separate department at the Clinic and was denied seats on the medical ethics committee and board of trustees for that matter?
Regardless, Dr. Yadav deserves his day and we should attempt to listen with unbiased ears.
Best,
M
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August 23, 2006 09:49 (EDT)
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Good to hear from Matt I must echo a few of Matt's comments. I don't know all of the details surrounding Jay's COI, and neither do any of the readers of this forum, but I can attest to the fact that Jay is a rare talent. Few of us can conceive a new way of approaching an old problem, and far fewer could ever translate that idea into a reality. It is that sort of ingenuity that has advanced not only medicine, but all major technological advances over the last 100 years. His motivation was far more than just financial. After his $40 million deal for Angioguard, he could have easily kicked back and lived like a king for the rest of his life. Instead, he continued to work 13+ hours a day taking care of patients, putting on symposiums, writing papers, traveling to give talks, creating new devices, educating venture capitalists, and starting new biotech companies.
Jay was a true mentor in the peripheral vascular lab. He was not always easy to take: if you said or did something stupid, he called you on it. On the other hand, he would readily give credit when it was due. If you worked hard for him, you were part of the team and he looked out for you. I should also mention that he cared for a large number of patients who were referred from around the country as "a last ditch effort"...ie, they had been told by their local cardiovascular specialists that nothing more could be done. Despite such poor protoplasm, he was able to offer most of these patients symptomatic improvement.
In all of my training and practice, I have only encountered two individuals who truly deserve the accolades of "visionary"...one who throws conventional wisdom aside, thinks outside the box, and changes the way medicine is practiced. Jay is one of those two individuals. The other is Eric Topol. Isn't it interesting that both have been pushed from the Clinic over the last 7 months? If Cleveland Clinic's Board of Governors wants to get serious about COI, Cosgrove should be clearing out his desk this evening over the Atricure scandal. Instead, he will soon preside over a large Conflicts-of-Interest symposium to be held at CCF. What a farce! |
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August 24, 2006 12:02 (EDT)
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Context Matt,
Your points are well taken but let me give you a context for my commentary. One of the most talented family physicians I've ever worked with is no longer a physician after a two year battle with the Ky. board of medical licensure. He worked as an ER physician for years, did a year of surgery and dazzled his colleagues with his broad data base and excellent recall. He saved more lives than anyone I can recall, made astounding diagnoses, performed such heroic measures in the ER such as cross clamping aortas and intubating folks with so much oral/facial trauma that they were no longer recognizable as human, and tonight, he's selling oil leases. I have NO IDEA if Dr. Yadav is guilty of anything. I admire everything I've heard about his clinical abilities, yet tonight, he's unemployed.
It might be that he is the Joan of Arc of the Cleveland clinic and simply burned at the stake by the clinic pyromaniacs without good reason, or It might just be that he was so busy that he did not attend to his book keeping. I assure you, there is no professional jealousy here. I hope he has his own yacht, but if he is truly guilty of nondisclosure, its sloppy and has cost his patients at the very least an inconvenience , .....and if he is the wonderful talent that Joel describes, it's even more of a tragedy.
It can happen to us all. I've just finished reading a billion echos tonight, I worked last night until 11 as well and was up half the night Monday. I have no idea what my billing department has done and it's blind faith most days, BUT in the spirit of preventing the very appearance of corporate corruption, I decided last year after 15 years of private practice, my busy schedule was no longer a valid excuse. I've rolled up my sleeves and have started investigating every aspect of my practice, have regular meetings with my accountant, hired a practice analyst.
I simply do not want to be rendered ineffective by sloppy business practices. It's that simple and it's important enough that all of us need to stop and take inventory of where we are.
I've not tried and convicted anyone but I've acknowledged that this sort of thing is happening more and more and we all need to get shields up so when there is an implication, we have a ready answer and can keep on doing what we do best.Unfortunately for all of us, Being talented and dedicated is no longer enough.
"Be careful Melissa"....... Matt, you couldn't have given me any better advice.We would all do well to listen.
Melissa
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August 24, 2006 01:57 (EDT)
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Thanks Melissa; that's a lot of echoes! While we probably vote for different parties, I think we agree that further speculation regarding Dr. Yadav's COI is premature without his side of this story. Further, it may be naive of us to take the Clinic's statement at face value. Politically, Jay may not serve a larger agenda. Clinically however, they need him more than he'll ever need them, ask Joel.
More important than the context of your or my remarks is the context of the Clinic's hypocrisy. The Journal's report on Dr. Cosgrove's involvement in Atricure documented:
1) A venture-capital partnership that the Clinic helped found and invested in owns about 4.1% of AtriCure's stock, valued at about $7 million. The Clinic's chief executive, heart surgeon Delos "Toby" Cosgrove, sat on AtriCure's board of directors until March. He also invested personally in the fund and was one of the general partners managing it until, according to a Clinic spokeswoman, he cut his ties to the fund at the end of October. In addition, Dr. Cosgrove will be entitled to royalties for a medical device he developed that AtriCure plans to begin selling next year.
2) More than 1,200 patients at Cleveland Clinic have received the AtriCure procedure to curb atrial fibrillation despite the fact the FDA has turned down the company three times because long term data on its efficacy for curbing strokes is "sketchy." All those uses are "off label."
3) At least four patients have died shortly after the procedure. Officials at the hospital say the deaths were not related to its use.
4) Dr. Cosgrove never revealed his conflicts of interest when speaking about the procedure and mentioning AtriCure by name at a meeting of the American Association of Thoracic Surgery. A clinic spokesperson said his secretary checked the wrong box on the form.
5) Cosgrove didn't reveal his conflicts of interest when writing a positive review of the procedure in the Journal of Thoracic and Cardiovascular Surgery. One of his co-authors, who also was a consultant to AtriCure, did.
THIS is the person that "fired" (as we are so zealously calling it) Jay Yadav. This is the same guy that is about to chair a COI Summit. Generally, my gut says it's pretty safe to distrust anyone who blames their secretary for their demise. What's next, my dog ate the form?
Is nondisclosure of a 1% deferred royalty of US sales (that number is 0) in the same ethical balllpark? or universe?
Two things are certainties:
1) The board at the Clinic is a bunch of sleep apneics
2) Jay won't be selling oil leases.
Take care,
Matt
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August 24, 2006 02:45 (EDT)
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points Matt,
I agree with your points.
As to Melissa's points I don't believe as an interventional cardiologist I'm "blue collar". We work in a field that requires we make life and death decisions. We are extremely smart and have studied many years. Any mistake we make is judged harshly; a little more than a person making a widget!
I don't think Yadav's patients suffer. They can transfer to him or a see another talented doctor at the cleveland clinic or elsewhere.
Look at the ceo's of companies or other docs that have developed devices..their renumeration is staggering.
On the one hand we certainly need to be grateful but let's call a spade a spade.
Yadav made a great contribution to the field and deserves every penny he got.
This is a politically motivated witch hunt.
It bothers me when we bring up "the patient"...of course we all care about the patient and of course we want what's best for him.
This is not what the discussion is about.
To me it seems like some sort of power play also motivated by political correctness.
The medical community should applaud Jay for his innovation and business acumen.
Too often we doctors are content to sit back and take what is given to us.
That is probably why we are where we are now...if we are to return to the days of respect, reasonable reimbursement and the "glory days" gone by we need to think more of ourselves...definitely not 'blue collar'! |
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August 24, 2006 01:06 (EDT)
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right on Bob,
I wear 100$ Hong Shirts and 325$ slacks; I'm not blue collar and please don't call me that!
I appreciate what blue collar workers do but I"m defininitely not blue collar! |
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August 24, 2006 10:36 (EDT)
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I'm all for Less hassle Mike, Bob, Matt
It's intriguing conversation, but I'd like to point out that at no time did I accuse any of us of being blue collar workers. I'm just pointing out that we enjoy a better than average income than most Americans so what we quibble about seems very frivolous to some. I'm not certain that I really deserve more than a single mother who is working two job to keep her kids in college but it's the way the world works. ( I personally believe we SHOULD BE worth more than the average athlete or celebrity, but no need to brood over that issue!!).
Just one question: do you think we would be having this conversation if full disclosure had been made up front with regard to industry ties and profits? Again, just being forth coming, keeping our noses clean, quietly continuing to diligently provide good medical care and drive honest research-----no matter what the profits, monetary or elsewise, it seems it would be an infinitely more hassle free life. (*Then again, perhaps some of you have an inside track as to the problems the clinic is facing and maybe full disclosure wouldn't have mattered?)
Melissa
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August 25, 2006 02:27 (EDT)
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You know Melissa, I'll give you credit for the asterisk, but... that's about it. Let's drop the politics as we will never agree as to what one "deserves" to earn and undo guilt-laden, socialist brainwashing. (maybe try on Atlas Shrugged to start)
You write: "Just one question: do you think we would be having this conversation if full disclosure had been made up front with regard to industry ties and profits? Again, just being forth coming, keeping our noses clean, quietly continuing to diligently provide good medical care and drive honest research-----no matter what the profits, monetary or elsewise, it seems it would be an infinitely more hassle free life."
Are you talking about Toby Cosgrove ?
A well-respected pioneer in our field, Jay Yadav, did not have his contract renewed (or "fired" if your editors prefer). He is accused, in a one-sided press release, of nondisclosure. Perhaps to stir debate, you speculate or maybe you're a soothsayer. Either way Melissa, we have yet to hear from Jay Yadav.
Did he really not disclose what they claim? How do you know he was not "forthcoming"? You said you haven't tried and convicted him but then write innuendo.
I haven't seen your "diligent..good medical care or honest research" but I'll promise you Jay provided it. And, "...inside track"? If anyone has an inside track it's Dr. Topol, who knows all too well the emotional bully-like wrath of Darth Cosgrove.
I guess you are wholly convinced that the Clinic had no idea about the sale terms of Angioguard. A bit of effort would show you that it occured after Jay joined the staff. Others, reportedly, shared in the profit...seems generous to me as they likely had little to do with development of the product.
Maybe they did the deal on a wet napkin, but I'm guessing there was a contract. Were the Clinic attorneys ignorant of the terms of the sale ? A pertinent question, perhaps. The soothsayer may be right, but again, I'll wait and listen.
With knowledgeable contributions, the heart.org can do infinitely better:
I suggest you do some research as to why Cosgrove would: (1) "fire" Eric Topol (2) "fire" Jay Yadav (3) eliminate Cardiovascular Medicine as a stand-alone department (Nissen now answers to Jim Young)(4) put cath labs in its new heart center's operating rooms (5) force (threaten) Steve Ellis to train cardiothoracic surgery staff (Dr. Roselli) in diagnostic catheterization (that's right, NON BC/BE physicians will soon be cathing you in the World's #1 Heart Center!) and (6) remove Cardiovascular Medicine from the hospital ethics committee
Are these the moves of a visionary CEO?
Lest we forget, he also had the pork bacon swapped for turkey bacon and changed the CCF logo at a cost of several million bucks (that would buy a lot of third world immunization).
Is an emotionally charged agenda of revenge what a multi-billion dollar company needs to succeed? Is this the man you would trust with the lives of 40,000 employees in the Clinic healthcare system, the largest employer in the rust belt of northeast Ohio? If the Clinic was a publicly held company, would you buy stock tomorrow?
IS THE CLEVELAND CLINIC BETTER OFF NOW THAN IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO WHEN TOBY COSGROVE TOOK CONTROL* ?
I have lingering doubt, but good luck if you are in pursuit of the truth,
M
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August 25, 2006 09:29 (EDT)
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matt i would stear clear of the cc!
agree man! |
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August 25, 2006 12:04 (EDT)
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thanks Mike I am going to take your advice. My emotions may have clouded my judgement. I'll go back to watching from a distance.
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August 25, 2006 07:00 (EDT)
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Gentlemen and Lady Hi Matt, There is definitely more at work here than just an undisclosed 1% royalty. Despite being difficult to work for, Dr Yadav is a true visionary and extremely talented at his work. Like most things happening at the clinic there are much deeper currents at work here and this is merely a "cleansing" to try and obtain more power for the surgeons there. What a shame they are so narrow minded.
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August 25, 2006 11:05 (EDT)
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Salient points Matt,
It's great conversation. Everyone has made salient points . It's a shame to see an institution in such turmoil. It's a shame that any dedicated individual has to be subjected to even more stress than the average work day entails.
Sounds like Dr. Yadav can land on his feet no matter how hard he's pushed. Wish him all the best. Wish you guys all the best as well.
By the way, Matt, I might just vote for the same party as you. You never know.
See you guys at the ESC?
Melissa |
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August 26, 2006 12:01 (EDT)
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The Gonzo Cardiologist weighs in... (Part 1) The Gonzo Cardiologist has asked me to post the following message:
It seems to me ...
There is nothing like intrigue, money, power, misfortune and people we actually know to get our Schadenfreude juices revved up. Politics happens ... and the big surprise here is what? That some people get fired? That some people don’t? That some people make mistakes? That some people make a lot of money? Cynical me - welcome to the high-powered world of dog-eat-dog (or administration-eat-physician) medical academ-ics. There is conflict at the Klingon Klinic - oh mercy me ... trouble in River City ...
And while I’m on (or off) the subject, conflict of interest in the health care world is not just a fact of life, in many ways it is really part of the fabric of modern-day medicine. It is hopelessly naive to think that we can divorce ourselves completely from ALL potential outside influences in caring for our patients. New information, new technology and new clinical advances have to come from SOMEWHERE, and where they come from is a world where it costs money to bring technical advances forward to clinical reality, and a world where SOMEBODY has to pay so that these medical advances can be used. And then, if that weren’t costly enough, somehow we have to find out about all these new advances, and then try to figure out what they really mean for our practice. And THEN ... we have to do it all over again, because new things are coming all the time. Unfortu-nately, the not-so-brave new world of industry-physician interactions is going to achieve new levels of psychotic puritanism (totally unique in the business world; please note no such restrictions on our oh-so-highly-revered elected officials - they even have their own interface INDUSTRY - political lobbying). The pendulum is still swinging very much to the McCarthy-esque view that the pharmaceutical and device industries are some sort of vast subversive plot to overthrow and corrupt our health care system. Hmmmm, sounds like business as usual for everybody else. Yes, there have been some fairly heinous things they have done, but there have been plenty of willing (and equally sleazy) physician partners lining up at the money trough. Yes, some CEOs make ob-scene amounts of money (don’t even get me going on professional athletes and media “celebrities”), but so do some directors of heath care systems, insurance plans,and even [gasp!] some physicians. Sad to say, where I think we are really going to suffer in the next few years is in the Medical Education department, as the baby is gleefully thrown out with the bathwater ... from a third story window. You think fellowship training has gotten ridiculous with those insane ACGME bozos putting all their ridiculous bureauc-racy in place? Wait till the CME-accrediting Nazis get their grubby little digits out of their noses and into your programs. It is NOT going to be pretty.
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August 26, 2006 12:01 (EDT)
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The Gonzo Cardiologist weighs in... (Part 2) “What we have here ... is a failure to communicate” ... how much conflict there really IS. I know very few people who are totally honest about all of their potential conflicts. When was the last time you saw anybody list ALL their grant and research support, or speaker honoraria? I have a suggestion (that’s me, Mr. Constructive) [Hey, WebMD guys, pay ATTENTION, this could make YOU some money] ... what about a new web-based resource - sort of like MySpace - called MyConflicts. It would be the responsibil-ity of physician-educators to keep an running, up-to-date, accurate log of their potential conflicts. You can even put up those pictures from 10 years ago, and tell us you used to play the clarinet (I really did). No more filling out those stupid conflict forms, all your conflicts would be out there in full view for everybody to see. And if you happen to be embarrassed about having a particular relationship out in the public view - then it is probably something you shouldn’t have gotten in to, and just the sort of thing we need to know about to evaluate your objectivity. People who cover things up or lie could be pub-licly castigated ... or made to work at the Cleveland Clinic (whichever you think is worse).
No charge, guys ... though something tells me I am not going to make any money on this deal anyway.
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August 26, 2006 03:11 (EDT)
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gonzo right on Gonzo you are right on.
I agree with everything you said.
You and Matt really have it right.
There is a lot of disturbing stuff happening.
It seems Yadav was the vicitim of a witch hunt which is on going.
Great point on business restrictions being exclusive to medicine.
It seems we physicians are smart but powerless to watch as individuals less intellectually talented and gifted than ourselves dictate our professional lives.
Are we to blame or a system that rewards a loser star athelete that can't get along even with his coworkers..I'm not specifically referring to any receiver in the nfl getting 25$million dollars...
I guess that's the system and we just work in it.
Melissa,
I'm guessing you are a small 'd' democrat...could be wrong! |
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August 26, 2006 03:16 (EDT)
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oil leases Melissa,
What is up with your er doc friend?
Did he have his license taken away?
Why?
And how much is he making selling oil least.es?
He probably makes a good living doing that.
Just curious.
Thanks. |
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August 26, 2006 10:30 (EDT)
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The god complex-, sorry , A bit off the subject Mike,
It was an example of the "god complex". He felt as if he should not have to give account to anyone for anything he did. His documentation was not the best. He had too many houses, too many wives, too many kids, too many vehicles, too much land, etc. It amounted to him breaking up with a woman who then accused him of giving her narcotics for sex and she did it for spite. (That is completely stupid as he always seemed to have an ample supply of admiring gals standing in line who would have and did gladly acccomodated him for free) Unfortunately, he had no good documentation and it all went south.
Lesson number 1: If you don't feel you have to be accountable and forthcoming, etc. it can get a bit challenging to avoid the pitfalls. It matters not as to why you've been rendered ineffective if you've been rendered irrevocably inneffective which he has. Unlike the alleged plot against Dr. Yadav, my friend had no options for two or three years, so he's selling leases. I'd project that he can pull down 200,000-300,000 per year. However, his habits will follow him I'm afraid where ever he goes-lesson number 2- we need to learn from our mistakes.
(Now for political confessions: I LOVED Ronald Regan and voted for him. I voted for W because I thought his parents were intelligent and would give him sound advice, but I must confess that I LOVE Bill -----just can't help myself.)
Bill, if you are out there, I love you man.(Yes, my husband knows about Bill)
Melissa |
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August 27, 2006 08:32 (EDT)
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good points Melissa,
You always raise salient points and I enjoy your posts. You truly are theheart.org forum..you make it fun, interesting and informative.
About your friend, I've seen a lot of docs go this way, I can't count the number of men who have destroyed their families and marriages with this type of thing. I don't know if it is just human nature or what; they are brilliant doctors, have money, have health yet can't resist temptation. When I was younger I actually lost a lot of respect for a lot of my older colleagues I admired until I found out about their personal lives. Bruce Springsteen said "admire the art not the artist, the artist will let you down all the time". Your friend sounds like his actions caught up with him.
I think we need to be humble as human beings and know that even with the abi;ity to heal others and all the money, recognition and accolades we get we need to keep our humility. We can't have everything or everyone we want. Somehow with our achievement comes a warped sense of entitlement and hubris.
That's just my opinion.
As to Bill..you may get to see him in 08 as Hiliary is looking strong...it should be an interesting political race. |
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August 27, 2006 08:37 (EDT)
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pro atheletes Mike,
Yeah I guess docs sometimes start acting like professional atheletes or something.
We need to stay grounded.
Melissa,
I guess it's true, women always go for the 'bad boys'!
I guess Bill's southern accent is probably what did it for you...I will have to work on mine!
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August 27, 2006 08:43 (EDT)
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move Melissa,
You could tell your friend to move to Utah, I just saw how they have polygamy there...it is not legal but apparently it is not prosecuted as it is so prevalent.
This would solve his 'many wives' problem..good skiing in that state and pro basketball as well!
Just a thought.. |
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August 27, 2006 09:03 (EDT)
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