Lifestyle, not drugs, for preventing type 2 diabetes: "Gladiatorial" debate concludes
Rome, Italy - Lifestyle changes, not drugs, should be the main focus for preventing type 2 diabetes: that was the conclusion of a lively debate here at the
European Association for the Study of Diabetes 2008 Meeting. While
Dr Paul Zimmet (Baker IDI Heart and Diabetes Institute, Melbourne, Australia) argued nimbly that glucose-lowering drugs could play an important role in preventing progression to diabetes, the audience, in a show of hands, ultimately voted to feed him to the lions following what both speakers, in a nod to their Roman surroundings, called a "gladiatorial debate."
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Dr Paul Zimmet
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In defense of lifestyle interventions, Dr Nick Wareham (Institute of Metabolic Science, Cambridge, UK), pointed to the fundamental, philosophical problem of treating patients who have no overt disease with pharmaceutical agents that have no proven benefits as preventive medications.
"As a physician I know that drug therapy is hugely beneficial in certain circumstances. The question is whether it is beneficial for people who don't have a disease to be treated with drugs," Wareham said. "I do not contest the notion that this group is at risk, but I think there is a profound philosophical question we're facing: when we as physicians seek out people who don't come to us to offer them help, we'd better be damn sure that what we're doing is actually going to do so."
But taking the counterposition, Zimmet cited the American Diabetes Association (ADA) consensus panel guidelines for people with impaired fasting glucose and impaired glucose tolerance, pointing out that while lifestyle changes are recommended, the writing group also "goes straight to metformin" in the presence of a wide range of risk factors common in the general population, relating to age, weight, family history, blood pressure, and lipid parameters. "This is a basic rejection of the idea that lifestyle alone works," Zimmet said.
Indeed, citing the ProACTIVE UK study, for which his opponent was an investigator, Zimmet pointed out that Wareham's own paper acknowledged that "it's very, very hard" to achieve a lifestyle intervention. In ProACTIVE UK, a behavioral intervention was no more effective than an "advice leaflet" for promoting physical activity in an at-risk group [1].
Forces work against lifestyle
Backing up this claim, Zimmet showed a photograph of people attending the ADA annual meeting crammed onto escalators, while the stairs stood empty. "If we can't get the people pushing for lifestyle interventions to use the stairs themselves, then we really have a problem," Zimmet quipped.
Zimmet pointed to environmental, cultural, economic, and sociopolitical forces that work against lifestyle changes in developed countries, many of which are amplified in other parts of the world. "I'm a strong believer that lifestyle interventions can work, but maybe only in Alcatraz, where you can put people in prison and then rigorously control their exercise and diet regimen," he said.
If we can't get the people pushing for lifestyle interventions to use the stairs themselves, then we really have a problem.
The real reason, Zimmet reminded the audience, for preventing onset of type 2 diabetes is to reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease, but as he points out, "the clock starts ticking long before the line we actually call diabetes." And whether lifestyle changes alone will be enough to alter long-term effects remains unproven. In the 20-year follow-up from the Da Qing diabetes study, Zimmet noted, any significant differences between lifestyle intervention and control groups for cardiovascular or all-cause mortality that were apparent up to 14 years had disappeared after two decades [2].
But referring to the same study in his counterargument, Wareham pointed out that the Da Qing study was underpowered to detect these kinds of late-term differences, and, if anything, the totality of data overwhelmingly suggests that the effects of lifestyle interventions, once stopped, are far more durable than those of drugs. Zimmet had anticipated this point and suggested that the solution would be to just to stay on the drugs. Wareham, however, cited a comparison of lifestyle interventions and metformin by Herman et al, arguing that lifestyle changes are significantly more cost-effective in the first few years and, extrapolating over a lifetime, incur negligible costs per quality-associated life-year gained [3].
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Dr Nick Wareham
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But perhaps most important, Wareham pointed out, lifestyle changes actually tackle the root cause of type 2 diabetes, not its consequences. And not only are they effective at reducing diabetes risk, Wareham noted, but they also have "halo effects," including anthropometric, physiological, metabolic, psychological, behavioral, and quality-of-life benefits.
Drugs, by contrast, may effectively reduce diabetes risk but often have adverse effects on some of these other factors and in some cases may actually have the effect of discouraging people from making meaningful lifestyle changes," Wareham argued.
Asked during the question period whether he had any specific recommendations for clinicians, Wareham acknowledged that a public-health problem requires sweeping changes in public-health policiesa point that both gladiators agreed upon. And conceding a point to Zimmet on the lack of long-term, hard-end-point studies for specific, clinically applicable lifestyle interventions, Wareham called for any funding agency representatives in the audience to sit up and take notice.
Controlling risk factors and public health solutions
Before we embark on pharmacological therapy I would ask you whether you are doing that on the basis of evidence, or on assumption.
In his concluding remarks, Zimmet emphasized that in the future "preventive genomics" may prove useful for identifying individuals who could benefit from lifestyle changes and those in whom pharmacotherapy is appropriate. He also underscored the need for optimal control of other risk factorslipids and blood pressure, through drugs as well as lifestylefor preventing future disease.
For the time being, Zimmet concluded, "We must consider all options for prevention and drugs that are likely to magnify the benefit obtained from attempts at lifestyle measures."
Wareham, for his part, reiterated that the "true solution" to the problem of type 2 diabetes will be a public-health solution that encompasses transportation, school and workplace characteristics, and family activity levels and influences personal attitudes and choices. But in the meantime, he stressed, "before we embark on pharmacological therapy, I would ask you whether you are doing that on the basis of evidence or on assumption. There is evidence supporting lifestyle interventions. They can work, and they can be effective in the long term."
In a show of hands following the debate, Zimmet's prodrug arguments received a smattering of votes, while Wareham was the overwhelming winner.
Being surer than we are
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Dr Edwin Gale
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Speaking with heartwire after the debate, session cochair Dr Edwin Gale (Bristol University, UK) explained that while pharmacotherapy for type 2 diabetes prevention is "not really taking place" clinically, at present, it is a topic of major interest and debate among endocrinologists and diabetologists.
"We're looking closely at the evidence, because starting someone on a drug before they have a diagnosis is problematic. Impaired glucose intolerance is a soft diagnosis, because it can be made only with a glucose-tolerance test, and not many people are going to get this," he said. "I think that both speakers agreed that in the long term, it needs to be lifestyle changes for the whole population and not just directed at high-risk individuals. But we need better ways of identifying high-risk individuals, so we can intervene earlier."
Today, asymptomatic individuals typically undergo automatic glucose testing at age 45, Gale said, but he believes testing will start to be performed earlier, particularly in people with other diabetes risk factors, like obesity. "In reality, we will always start with lifestyle interventions, but if you see that someone is progressing toward diabetes, then you're going to start to see the use of drugs," he said.
But Gale reiterated that the evidence supporting a beneficial effect, in terms of hard diabetes and cardiovascular end points, of lowering glucose in people who are prediabetic, is lacking. And he agreed with Wareham that the creation of a label like "prediabetic," diagnosing a disease before it's present, is "a major worry." One issue, as both he and Zimmet suggested during the session, is that the definition of diabetes may need to be reconsidered so that people can be identified earlier in the disease process.
"This has to be risk-based treatment," Gale told heartwire, "and we have to have ways of being surer than we are at present that someone has risk before we start adding on drugs and changing their lives."
Zimmet disclosed receiving honoraria from GlaxoSmithKline, Bayer AG, Merck Serono, and Novartis.
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Kinmonth AL, Wareham NJ, Hardeman W, et al. Efficacy of a theory-based behavioural intervention to increase physical activity in an at-risk group in primary care (ProActive UK): a randomised trial. Lancet 2008; 371:41-48.
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Li G, Zhang P, Wang J, Gregg EW, et al. The long-term effect of lifestyle interventions to prevent diabetes in the China Da Qing Diabetes Prevention Study: a 20-year follow-up study. Lancet 2008; 371:1783-1789.
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Herman WH, Hoerger TJ, Brandle M, et al. The cost-effectiveness of lifestyle modification or metformin in preventing type 2 diabetes in adults with impaired glucose tolerance. Ann Intern Med 2005; 142:323-332.
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September 11, 2008 01:25 (EDT)
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incentive The solution is elementary my Dear Watson:
Incentivize lifestyle changes.
Do you smoke?
What is your BMI?
Are you non-compliant with your care?
How much alcohol do you drink?
Do you use illegal drugs?
If you choose to do so -- you will pay X amount more for your Medicare deductible or health insurance. . .or we won't do the (whatever) procedure on you UNTIL you change your lifestyle.
Other countries, like Japan, do this. And in the U.S. we do this for organ donations. Heck, I know orthopods who won't do back surgeries on people until they stop smoking.
We are harming people by allowing misbehavior without consequences. And the health care industry as a whole -- see the above debate -- actively encourages the current "we will cure everything with a pill" thinking. I don't know how many patients have implied to me that they can eat anything they want and "just increase my insulin!"
People will use the stairs if their wallet (and possibly their life) depends upon it.
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September 11, 2008 02:36 (EDT)
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David Filips for President!!!!! I believe that Melissa and I will be ardent supporters!
Having said that, have you, David, contacted both party's nominees and your own federal representatives with your concerns and solutions? If we don't start talking about our (I believe profound and correct) views on saving lives, money, and indeed possibly our nation's growth, then we will have done our own professional selves a grave disservice. I am in the middle of my second writing and calling campaign reiterating to these people my views and solutions, and am citing studies and papers for proof.
We don't have a lot of time here. And it's a sure bet that the AHA, AMA, ANA, and the various other high-level organizations are not going to bite. Politics, you know. It will have to come from us as individual professionals to "educate" the government. We are in the trenches every day dealing with real people with real problems who are asking for real solutions. Melissa's graph of the cost of smoking is a fine example of hitting your patients where it counts to make them think. It is going to take that kind of "knock 'em up the side of the head" action to get us as a nation to change, and so we have to start as individuals to demand the change, start the change as best we can, and back up our reasons TO change.
If presidential hopeful John McCain's mother can be as active as she is at 96, then that is what we need to hold up as a standard, and show people how to do it. The next step is to give the graph like Melissa does to give hard evidence of the monetary impact of bad habits have (use for cost of drugs, hospital costs, cost of coming to see YOU). Thirdly, figure out ways to positively reinforce the good habits (dollars off health insurance premiums for maintaining healthy weight, cholesterol, not using tob products--in the office providing free flu vaccines, coupons for health products or food, etc). Then start a grassroots campaign in your office to promote change at the top: letter-writing campaigns among your patients to your elected officials, petitioning among your patients to those officials with citations to back up the positions you are taking, us petitioning and writing our own professional organizations re: effecting changes at the top.
Ten and twenty years ago "health nuts" were ridiculed. It was predicted by those health nuts that we as a nation would die with our lack of caring for ourselves. Now, we need to dust off those ideas those nuts had and start doing them! Exercise, eat healthy fruits and veggies, cut down on the meat, eat as close to nature as you can, drink plenty of fluids (water), be at peace with yourself and your surroundings. (and don't forget the dark chocolate!!!!! that's my mantra!)
Funding is an issue--but if we would keep some of our money we are sending overseas for health concerns and use it to start getting our own people healthy, in the long run we will be able to do both--keep our nation healthy and help others to become healthy. If we don't take care of ourselves first, we won't be able to take care of the other nations. (Ever hear of a dead person resuing a live person?)
Just some thoughts to add with yours! And I'll surely campaign and vote for you as President on this platform!!!!! (I still think we should form another party for healthcare reform!)
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September 11, 2008 03:34 (EDT)
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flattery. . . Becky,
Thanks for the flattery.
But it is you (and Melissa and Dr. Wareham) and others who are leading the charge.
Policy wonks scream about the dangers of "Socialized Healthcare!"
Hate to brake it to you folks, but we already have socialized health care. It's called cost shifting.
People who are fortunate enough to have health insurance are doubly charged for those who can't pay. . .or the government picks up the tab (which means we pick up the tab. . .or leave it to our children and grandchildren.)
You are ever so right. The costs of health care are out of control -- I've seen estimates that by 2050, if the extrapolations hold, every penny on the dollar will be spent on health care. Not to overstate the obvious, but we wouldn't have money for food, gas, rent, etc.
So yes, the cost of health care does affect all of us -- and we should make that very clear to everyone. (Like Melissa's smoking chart -- Here's how much money this is costing YOU.)
And the amount of money spent on the freely chosen bad habits of other people runs in the hundreds of billions.
My thinking runs like this: If you choose not to wear a motorcycle helmet, and you suffer a TBI, then you (and whatever assets you have) will be picking up the tab for your long-term rehab. If you were wearing a helmet and get hurt, then you will get state or federal aid. Your choice.
Anyway, I've had quite a few people try and convince me to run for various offices. I'm about as "P.C." as George Carlin (God rest his soul). I wouldn't get too far. My mouth, all to often, runneth over. (Melissa can vouch.)
I would, however, vote for any candidate who realistically understood and stated his/her solutions to the aforementioned problems. And if you get nominated Becky, I'll vote for you. |
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September 11, 2008 04:17 (EDT)
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vote Dave, you got my vote ! |
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September 11, 2008 08:05 (EDT)
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Me Too. I'll vote for you Dave! BTW, I'd still really like to hear some specifics ,......I said SPECIFICS about what our candidates are planning to do about health care!
Mr. McCain, Mr. Obama.......We still can't hear you........
Melissa
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September 12, 2008 01:41 (EDT)
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Thanks, David! I'm about at PC as Mr. Carlin too! Just ask my kids!
Melissa, if you are still interested, I would like to figure out how to "copy" some of our blogs here where we all got down to the nitty-gritty and send those to the candidates (if they would stop taking pot shots at each other long enough to listen). My e-mail is bchristianson@wmmconline.org. (If it can be legally done, great. I guess Mr. Huston would have a say in that. I just thought rather than trying to extrapolate from all the threads we could just send the threads to them. If it's not possible, ok.)
Becky |
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September 12, 2008 02:32 (EDT)
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no copyright Becky,
I spoke to my lawyer :) My postings aren't copyrighted.
As far as I'm concerned, you can do whatever you'd like with them.
And yes, please tell the candidates that they need to quit with the pot shots and stick to the issues.
Also, I forgot to add that I totally agree with your positive incentives as well. Tax the heck out of junk food, and have no taxes on fresh produce/lean meat/etc. People will always "vote" with their pocketbooks.
If the health food was cheaper, and the bad stuff (turtle cheesecake bars, microwavable chocolate chip pancakes, etc.) was really expensive, bananas would suddenly become more attractive as a snack. And then we wouldn't have to rely on metformin for IGT.
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September 12, 2008 04:17 (EDT)
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Copyright issues Hi Everyone,
I don't think there is any problem with copying a few messages and forwarding them to a political candidate, or anyone else, for that matter.
However, it is a violation of copyright to republish material first published here by anyone other than yourself.
Best,
Larry Husten
News & Features Editor
TheHeart.Org
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September 12, 2008 07:18 (EDT)
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copyright insanity it's insane to consider that writing a few words on an online forum could be construed as a 'publication', and thereby subject to copyright. My understand is that the copyright judgements are not hard and fast but rather take into consideration a number of factors including novelty, economic value, and damage arising from reproduction/copying. |
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September 15, 2008 03:42 (EDT)
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Well, Dan, you know lawyers..... and my sister is 'one of them". Being politically incorrect is not easy in my family!
Thank you all for your comments. I am going to do my best to get something together this week to send. If anyone has specifics they want to send to "the Hill", please let me know. Thanks in advance!
Becky |
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September 16, 2008 07:57 (EDT)
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you are welcome Becky,
You are welcome to "steal" the journey to a smoke free city blogg or two as well.
Melissa |
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September 19, 2008 11:51 (EDT)
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Prevention? Not In This Debate In the world of disease prevention nothing seems to change. The National Cancer Institute, Centers for Disease Control, and American Cancer Society have long maintained that "lifestyle risk factors" are the reason you get cancer. Too much smoking, too much red meat, too much alcohol, too fat, not enough exercise, not enough fruit and veggies. In other words, it's your fault you have cancer. That's why I coined the term VICTIMOLOGY THEOLOGY. Now the lifestyle mantra has been picked up by cardiologists. Environmental causation-- primarily, low-dose ionizing radiation in co-action with chemicals-- is not to be found on the Zimmet/Wareham radar screen.
Now everyone is on the genomics bandwagon, but in utero studies are virtually non-existent. Gene discoveries are all the rage--but what causes mutations in the first instance. What about that fellow, H.J. Muller, whose 1927 Drosophila research proved X-ray-induced mutations. Physicians walked out of his early lectures. Didn't he win a Nobel? Or what of Alice Stewart's groundbreaking in utero work that demonstrated a 40% increase in excess cancer and leukemia in children before age 10 after their mothers were irradiated with a single 10 mSv X-ray during pregnancy?
Even though Congress mandated "an expanded and intensified research program for the prevention of cancer caused by occupational or environmental exposure to carcinogens," the NCI, CDC, and EPA cling to the conventional wisdom that emphasizes lifestyle factors.
Now cardiologists are singing from the same page. My comment on theHEART.org (Human genomics: What does the cardiologist need to know? 25 June) references Dr. Gofman's monumental book(1999), RADIATION FROM MEDICAL PROCEDURES IN THE PATHOGENESIS OF CANCER AND ISCHEMIC HEART DISEASE. He theorizes, "Some mutations acquired by smooth muscle cells render such cells dysfunctional and give such cells a proliferative advantage so that they gradually replace competent smooth muscle cells at a localized patch of artery (a mini-tumor). And this patch of cells, unable to process lipoproteins correctly, becomes the site of chronic inflammation, resulting in construction of an atherosclerotic plaque whose fibrous cap is sometimes too fragile to contain the highly thrombogenic lipid-core within the plaque."
With the rapid increase in CT angiography it is imperative that cardiologists get up to speed on the increased risk from elevated radiation doses.
Lynn Howard Ehrle, M.Ed, Senior Biomedical Policy Analyst(pro bono), Organic Consumers Association
ehrlebird@organicconsumers.org
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October 2, 2008 08:00 (EDT)
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Interesting point Lynn,
I apologize that I either missed or skimmed your comment. I appreciate your post. I do insist that lifestyle, at least the demographic for our population of patients proves the point, at least informally that lifestyle reigns king as the most common cause for EARLY onset coronary disease. I've been practicing cardiology in South Central Kentucky for nearly 18 years. I was born and raised here. I know many of these families. In our patient population we have NO one in this area with a CABG or PCI below the age of 40 of normal weight who has not smoked with the following exceptions, and are indeed so exceptional that I remember just about all of them: (1) 39 year old with multivessel diffuse disease, but his vessels were knobby and ectactic, probably old Kawasaki's disease (2) well........I can't remember anyone else compared to the hundreds of youngers we treat with CAD. 99% of them smoke or have a long history of smoking, the others are purely obese and therefore are likely diabetic. I didn't always do glucose challenges so I fear many were missed up until a few years ago. I will cath a 34 year old s/p CABG and 5 PCI's this month. I just sent a 29 year old for another stent. I will assist in the delivery of the child of a pregnant mother with a bare metal stent this fall. These are memorable "below the age of 40 patients" but in the 50 year old age group, it's even worse, probably due to the aging effect and genomics.
The point you make about radiation exposure is well taken, especially in the context of a new study that suggests that there is a significant radiation exposure from cigarette smoking. Not certain of the mechanism, but it was a fasctinating discussion.
Thanks for your contribution.
Melissa
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October 10, 2008 08:21 (EDT)
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BAH HUMBUG Well, it's been almost 3 weeks since I sent my/our epistle to the pres candidates. Nary a word from either, not even a 'thank you for your stamp." Guess I was looking through rose-colored glasses. And by looking at both of their "proposals" for health care, I think I will buy up a bunch of baby ASA, fish oil, triple ABX cream and bandaids, maybe some sweet oil for the grandbabies' ears, and a whole bunch of fertilizer for an herb garden. I don't think we'll survive either candidate's "fixes" for our healthcare system.
As one of my grandbabies says: this is poopy!
Becky :-(((
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October 10, 2008 10:24 (EDT)
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One never knows Hang in there Becky. Sometimes, just when you think no one is listening to your knocking, they are standing with their ear pressed to the door. You never know what seeds will sprout! Keep up the great work.
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October 23, 2008 12:51 (EDT)
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Becky This is poopy! Becky, this may be the most well written response I have read in months. I would forward that short, succinct, well thought out response to all members of congress, the CDC, FDA, NHLBI, administration and leaders of our HHS departments. Excellent. mc |
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October 23, 2008 05:01 (EDT)
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Thanks, Michael and Melissa I believe I have the gumption to try again. And maybe this time not sugar coat my cover letter. I know it is so close to election time that it may not even be read, but I think if I sent it to the VP candidates too it might get through (maybe).
I have a confession to make, though. Who is our Surgeon General? I did send my letter to the general title, but maybe if I put a name on it, it might lend a little credence. (I know--I could look it up.) I am also sending a version to my gubernatorial candidates. I just read last night a summary of their plans, and they both were horrible. Why can't I just get all these people together and have a "come to Jesus/thump your head to make you think" session? I'm just a peon to these people. But my vote counts, just as everyone else's (even the pets and dead people). (sorry, I couldn't help that jab.)
All three pres and the VP debates were so predictable. They touched on various "ideas", but that was it. This choosing the federal government's health insurance is ridiculous! Who is paying for that great health insurance? WE ARE!!!!! I'm so tired of supporting every snotty nosed person who thinks that "I owe them" something! get a job! Pay for yourself, or at least help pay for yourself. Use the brain God gave you and learn to take care of yourself! If you need help and want it, I'll be glad to sit down and show you meal planning, movements to help you tone up and burn off that extra weight, hold on to your hand when you've got the shakes from coming off booze/tob/drugs. But quit thinking I must work to pay for your decisions!
Sorry---wrong audience here. Long story, but bad evening in the neighborhood with "hooligans". Got to have some of the above conversations with them, but it was like talking to a wall. AAAGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!! |
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