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Satellite Industry Meeting - A veritable PRIMARY PREVENTION- FEST

Mar 29, 2009 10:47 EDT


 

 

Some of the world’s leading Prevention specialists came together tonight from 7:30 pm to 9:30 pm at the Peabody hotel for an outstanding discussion on such issues as hsCRP, calcium scoring, data interpretation and  the future direction of risk reduction.  The distinguished panel consisted of  moderator Christie Ballantyne of Baylor, Roger Blumenthal , Johns Hopkins, Michael Davidson,  U of Chicago, and Peter Ganz,, San Francisco General.  Though I must advise that this was an INDUSTRY-SPONSORED event, the discussants mentioned every statin on the planet in a favorable light with no real  bias projected into any aspect of any discussion.  The closest thing that an ""industry critic" would latch onto was  a comment  made by Michael Davidson regarding" high  efficacy statins getting patients to target faster than generics".  This was an UN- “bias”-ed statement  however as it  was  grounded in evidence based medicine and a statement of fact .   Generics produce approximately 2/3 the benefit of brand statin in the PROVE-IT trial.

 

It was a 2 hour program packed with information, so I’ll do my best to give you the salient points. Forgive the lengthy diatribe here, but I’d like to do it justice so you can get a flavor of the event. I’ll break it into two or three segments for better readability,

 

Case study presented by Peter Ganz: :  57 y.o. male with 134/70 bp on Rx with ace and negative FH-.  No tobacco .  Asymptomatic.   32 inch waist., FBS 93, chol 186, HDL 38, TG 195 and LDL 109. 

 

QUESTION: Would you treat?

 

   I was one of the 58% in the audience who voted “yes”. He went onto explain that the   ATP III- FHR was a score of 14 = 16% risk.  Then  Dr. Ganz added that “the patient reached in his pocket and pulled out a CRP that he forget to tell anyone about” of 4.2 .(audience chuckles).    20  of mg rosuvastatin dropped LDL from 109 to 62 but only decreased CRP to 3.4.

 

NEXT QUESTION:  Would you then increase dose to 40 mg?  1/3 of the audience vote no, 1/3 yes and 1/3 would add another drug.  The point:  hsCRP is an independent risk factor so we should probably  increase the dose. 

 

There was an indepth explanation of why we CANNOT rely upon  the ROC curve alone  in order to decide treatment thresholds  but SHOULD employ the REYNOLD's RISK score which re-classified nearly half of the cohorts in the WOMEN'S HEALTH STUDY.  He quoted  Nancy Cook who pointed out that adding  LDL and HDL levels to age, smoking and BP in the Women’s health study  did NOT shift the ROC curve upward the to the left and therefore would have resulted in a significant missed opportunity for risk reduction.

 

There was then a short discussion of the JUPITER trial which we all know treated healthy elevated hsCRP men greater than 50 y.o and women greater than 60 with low LDL but high hsCRP yielding a 37% reduction in CRP with a NNT of 25 (with <100 being the ideal).  He included important criticism of Jupiter asking the rhetorical question “was it CRP or was it age”? He frankly pointed out that if reduction in cancer mortality had been excluded then the mortality benefit would not have been significant, a very important aspect of this trial that deserves sharp focus.  Finally, the  JUPITER trial  was terminated early which left us to draw incomplete conclusions on many endpoints.  He also added that his sister- in- law would hopefully be participating a trial in which they would examine whether or not a reduction in the formation of intestinal polyps and gut cancers could be attributed to Rosuvastatin which I think is a logical next step.

 

Dr. Ganz described himself as an “interventional cardiologist who also believes in prevention therapy”. 

 

 I am grateful for that evangelical  point and his excellent presentation tonight.

 

More salient points from the  primary prevention gurus:

 

 






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Satellite Industry Meeting - A veritable PRIMARY PREVENTION- FEST
# 1 of 1
April 10, 2009 05:47 (EDT)
Milton Alvis

Dr. Walton-Shirley,

Well written; almost as if I were there.

I have comments about two issues:

(1) I would have been in the one-third group voting to add a another agent for the goals of greater efficacy, cost efficiency and safety.

Like all treatment tools, the statins, excellent though their track record is, exhibit decreasing efficacy and increasing problems the more they are pushed and their therapeutic index varies rather widely depending on the individual.

Given the complexity of the issues, relying on only one physiologic tool, the statins, is foolish for most. In my limited 32 years of experience within the medical profession, it remains my view that the medical establishment continues to suffer from focusing too much on treating signs and symptoms of advanced disease. I believe it is better to promote both excellence of health and life productivity.

While being an interventionist, one who has long worked to reduce/eliminate a role for invasive interventions, I have personally taken "high dose" (in the eyes of many) statins since 1990 and have aggressively prescribed them for most patients I have seen since 1990. Yet statins only address one of multiple pathways of our destroying our body functions via accumulation of monocyte/macrophage WBCs in the walls of our arteries. While this behavior, along with eventual episodical narrowing of arterial lumens with internal clot patches over plaque ruptures, is a common (i.e. normal) human behavior, it is without any track record of being healthy, promoting quality/length of life or improving productivity.

Because of these issues, I quit performing or promoting stress tests (by any and all technologies, including rubidium-82 PET) in 1995. While third parities continue to pay for such "services", I believe they are extremely costly and very inefficient.

I believe that it is preferable to (a) promote the public to spend their money on strategies that work to protect their health as opposed to (b) evaluate whether their individual health has finally become bad enough to consider doing something effective (changing physiology) or even more expensive and dangerous (invasive interventional tests and treatments).

Trials, such as Jupiter (the results of which I was not surprised by) provide limited guidelines about relative group efficacy and minimal standards. Granted though, such trials are helpful in providing clues and confirming guesses as to wisdom.

(2) Regarding carotid IMT, I have done these for a several years. However, delegating them to be done by technicians or physicians not directly monitored by a physician focused on high degrees of accuracy and reproducibility is a waste and fraught with problems. The increasing pressure we all feel for earning money in less time with more bureaucratic obstacles (supposedly in the name of quality), combined with ever increasing overhead costs, all powerfully work to degrade quality of care for those we see.

However, carotid IMT also offers a great opportunity for tracking actual disease burden, at one location, well before any significant stenosis, and to more carefully individualize one’s approach to the actual status of each individual patient. While I do perform IMT measurements at some pseudo-standardized locations, the real key to IMT is to focus on the location(s) at which the individual patient has the greatest IMT measurements across obvious plaque. Next also include length and circumference of the visualized plaque. Next include printed DICOM images of the plaques (thickness, length and circumferential view) within the written echo report so that the patient, and anyone they show their report to, can see the "hidden" disease.

Especially in the bulb area, carotid plaques are typically quite visible, quantifiable and trackable decade(s) before significant stenosis, much less bruits (essentially always very advanced disease) and/or stokes are clinically detectable.

When people can (a) see a portion of their own disease, (b) understand that help is available and that (c) someone is devoting time and expertise to helping them (a) avoid ever becoming symptomatic, (b) be sent for invasive intervention in the future or (c) become debilitated, I have found carotid IMT to be a great patient motivator and ally inducer for symptomatic disease prevention.

Again, I think this is a better way to spend patient’s money than on advanced disease partial (too little too late) treatment such as carotid surgery, stenting and/or hospitalization.

Conclusions, comments:

Unfortunately choices, such as I have made, markedly pay less well. We are commonly not recognized or paid well for preventing advanced symptomatic disease. Now that is really inefficient and sad. Nonetheless, it is the job I have taken on and work to excel at performing.

I have always given patients copies of all their labs, reports, angiographic images, echo images, etc.; i.e. they see that same data, as much as possible, that I see. They are their own primary decision maker (physician if you will), not us M.D.’s. Thus they should be have the quantitative data in their own hands and maintain their own records.

Those in the medical profession, by long protecting turf and assuming our work is too complex (or not worth the effort) to explain to the public, have also failed to very publicly track and display both the complexity and the results of our efforts. Because the public has difficulty in both (a) seeing the specifics of what we do from every angle imaginable and (b) in helping us improve, their fears and paranoia often drive criticism and attacks, often played upon and promoted by many commercial and political interests.

Approaches which empower patients, though atypical, typically seem to shift patient attitudes; they usually choose to become allies and friends.

Milton Alvis, http://maps.google.com/maps?z=4&q=Milton+Alvis


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About Dr Melissa Walton-Shirley
Dr Walton-Shirley performs invasive cardiology, nuclear cardiology, and stress echocardiography in a private practice in Glasgow, KY.

Her chief medical interests are CHF/hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy and the promotion of primary PCI for acute MI. Recently she played a significant role in helping to launch an ambitious pilot study of primary PCI in Kentucky, the Kentucky Primary Angioplasty Pilot Project. She has also participated in the TIMI 19, Duke-HF, NRMI, and CRUSADE trials and is proud to have been an advocate of the first smoke-free initiative in Kentucky (2011). She champions a smoke-free America.

Dr Walton-Shirley received her undergraduate degree at the University of Kentucky and went to medical school and did her residency and fellowship at the University of Louisville. She is married with two daughters. Her interests include singing, writing poetry and songs, fitness, and, of course, theheart.org.