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Surgeons and interventionalists: The same crystal ball?

Aug 3, 2009 08:30 EDT


I found the forum post from Luc Missault entitled “Cardiothoracic surgeon shortage likely by 2020, study predicts” very interesting.  He writes that he “remembers being overtly and loudly laughed at by a group of different surgeons after a talk on angioplasty held for a mixed group of local doctors in Belgium”.  He then goes on to describe their accusation that they would have to “clean up our mess”.  He remembers feeling very humiliated and wondered if he had “made the right choice” by becoming an interventionalist at all.  Indeed Luc is not the only interventionalist out there with an “I told you so”.   Look back at how far the profession has come since the dark days of balloons the size and shape of a banana with virtually no guides or wires to speak of.  Who would have thought it? 

I was also a witness to such ridicule when I was in training in 1988.  I remember waddling down the sidewalk, about 8 months pregnant as an internal medicine resident.  I almost ran headlong into a much admired and revered thoracic surgeon (who shall remain nameless but suffice it to say, he chairs one of the best known and successful academic programs in this country today).  No doubt, I was a sight, complete with braces I’d put off wearing until I was the ripe old age of 27.  “Just one question” he quipped, “just how did you ever get pregnant looking like that?”  Knowing this was the typical humorous banter I could expect, I flashed my repulsive metallic grin through edematous lips and waited for the next punch line. I would have  taken any amount of grief from this guy.  I had an enormous amount of respect for his skill and compassion.  As a fourth yr. med student, he had awarded me the much coveted “honors” notation, recognizing I had “busted my butt” for him.  However, after a couple of minutes of small talk, the conversation grew more serious.  His eyes narrowed.  He lowered his voice and said after looking over his shoulder “tell your bosses, I’ve got a message for them”.  Not certain if he was serious or not I replied with a smirk and said “and what would that be?”  He then growled, “this balloon angioplasty stuff will never work.  It’s completely ridiculous.  The entire premise is ridiculous”.  He then stormed off as if I were his worst enemy. 

The next time I saw my extraordinary friend, we were back to our usual banter, but I never forgot that conversation.  Technically, he was right.  Balloon angioplasty doesn’t work…….unless you are happy with a 50% restenosis rate.  Twenty years later, coronary intervention has achieved the unspeakable from a surgeon’s perspective.  My friend’s natural insticts were to fight for his survival by initially trying to psych out his enemy.  The battle had begun in his mind to try and avoid the same fate as the wooly mammoth.  No one likes to think of themselves as extinct and I’m certain that is what every thoracic surgeon feared in the dawn of the interventional era.  

In the “not too far distant future”, it may be interventionalists who will be making threats to unwitting medicine residents on hospital sidewalks.  The cardiologists’s crystal ball holds the promise of HDL analogues that virtually melt plaque away like “Drano”.  There is no doubt that in our lifetime, stents and balloons will be ridiculed as archaic band-aid like scaffolds.  Our mechanical attempts at correcting a metabolic endothelial disaster with a piece of twisted sticky metal will be scoffed at. 

We can learn a lesson from the uneasy transition that we have forced upon our friends the thoracic surgeons.  We should be paying far more attention to the metabolic and preventative aspects of the disease process that we have vowed to combat.  Perhaps by gazing into the same crystal ball that predicted sweeping changes uneasily navigated by our surgical colleagues, we may be able to embrace the future of cardiology rather than fear it.   

 








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Surgeons and interventionalists: The same crystal ball?
# 1 of 3
August 17, 2009 11:17 (EDT)
Carolyn Thomas

Hello Dr. Walton-Shirley,

I really enjoy reading your posts here.

While surgeons and interventionalists are bantering back and forth about balloons vs scalpels, it's their patients who are helpless observers of this debate.  If the docs still can't agree, how are we heart attack survivors supposed to know if what's being ordered is appropriate or not?

I'm going in next Tuesday for another angioplasty/stent following the ominously-named 'stent failure' of my bare metal stent implanted in my LAD (99% blockage) in May '08. At the time, the option of CABG vs stenting was apparently discussed.  I suspect that it boils down to this: surgeons like to cut, and interventionalists like to poke wires up our wrists or groins.  I happened to have an interventionalist in the cath lab with me, of course, so I got the stent.

Now my cardiologist ( a 'consulting' cardiologist who does neither surgery nor angios, so I'm guessing he's more neutral?) suggests that, based on 5-year outcomes, just meds alone has been shown to address coronary occlusion as well as or better than angioplasty/stent.  But he also added: "If you were my sister, I'd send you back to the cath lab..."

So what's a patient to do? 

Carolyn Thomas

http://www.myheartsisters.org  

 

 

 

  

# 2 of 3
August 20, 2009 07:48 (EDT)
Melissa

Carolyn,

I'm so sorry for your dilema.  I really can't advise you here other than to say that you must follow the advice of those you trust plus remember there is usually more than one correct way to handle many situations.  In many of my patients, I've told them they may choose either course.  The mortality is the same with either procedure, but the PCI folks usually have had to come into the hospital more often.  Surgery carries with it it's own specific risks.  You really must make this decision with the help of your physicians who know your case, your coronary anatomy and your co morbidities.

More importantly, I'd ask my physician to address what is driving my coronary disease.  I'd ask specifically about doing a pro active test (other than the standard fasting blood sugar) to check for diabetes, avoid second hand smoke and make certain your weight is good, eat the mediterranean diet and exercise.  You also might look into a secondary prevention clinic, etc.  This is just general information you can discuss with your physician. 

I wish you good luck!!!

Melissa

# 3 of 3
August 20, 2009 07:50 (EDT)
Melissa

Oh and by the way, thanks Carolyn for your compliment!!  Glad you enjoy the posts.

Melissa


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About Dr Melissa Walton-Shirley
Dr Walton-Shirley performs invasive cardiology, nuclear cardiology, and stress echocardiography in a private practice in Glasgow, KY.

Her chief medical interests are CHF/hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy and the promotion of primary PCI for acute MI. Recently she played a significant role in helping to launch an ambitious pilot study of primary PCI in Kentucky, the Kentucky Primary Angioplasty Pilot Project. She has also participated in the TIMI 19, Duke-HF, NRMI, and CRUSADE trials and is proud to have been an advocate of the first smoke-free initiative in Kentucky (2011). She champions a smoke-free America.

Dr Walton-Shirley received her undergraduate degree at the University of Kentucky and went to medical school and did her residency and fellowship at the University of Louisville. She is married with two daughters. Her interests include singing, writing poetry and songs, fitness, and, of course, theheart.org.